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Kahan gaye woh log?

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Lal Krishna Advani lamented the other day the absence of somebody like
the late V P Singh who could raise the banner of revolt against the
Congress leadership from within in this season of scams that makes the
alleged Bofors gun deal kickbacks seem the work of a pickpocket!

His remarks to The Indian Express are an admission at once of the
principal Opposition’s limitations in acquiring the moral high ground
VP attained on being thrown out of the Congress for doing the
unthinkable — challenging his parent party on probity in public life.
The anti-Congress sentiments that he whipped triggered first the
emergence of the Jan Morcha and than its more evolved edition, the
National Front.

VP attained political respectability through the companionship of the
Left and a mass reach that came with the logistical support of the BJP-
RSS. His was a government supported from outside by the political Left
and the Right. The politics of Mandal and Kamandal caused its
premature downfall spearheaded by none else than Advani, then a much
celebrated rath yatri. Unlike in the late 1980s when the country was
under the Congress’s single-party rule, it isn’t all that easy today
to rally the entire Opposition against the UPA which itself is a multi-
party conglomeration. In the intervening years the country witnessed
events — Ayodhya in 1992 and Gujarat in 2002— that caused a secular-
communal divide that has forever left the saffron parivar suspect in
the eyes of the so-called secular forces.

That factor is a major hindrance in the repeat of 1989 that witnessed
the combined Opposition quit en masse from the eighth Lok Sabha —
albeit in the final stages of its life – over the Bofors issue.
Coupled with it is the glut of smeared reputations across the
political spectrum that leaves the choice between lesser and bigger
instances of graft or loot of public money.

Ranging from the Congress to the BJP to regional parties such as the
DMK, AIADMK, the RJD and the Samajwadi Party, almost every party has
had its share of sleaze — big and small. Our multi-party system is so
much at the mercy of unscrupulous corporate entities — for funding and
other kind of logistics — that cronyism and questionable patronage are
the order of the day.

Collude or get cast aside. The message gets reinforced with each
election, change of government and ministers. India needs a
Jayaprakash Narayan or a VP to mobilize people against the pernicious
system. None fits the bill in the obtaining crowd of power hungry
politicos.

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5 Responses to “Kahan gaye woh log?”

1.
Ziauddin Shafi says:
March 7, 2011 at 8:26 pm

Late PV Narasimha Rao’s great contribution to the polity is that he
forced the BJP to lean forever on the RSS for its survival – after
1992, the BJP just got stuck with the Extreme Right and after Gujarat
2002 it will be an uphill task for it to get out from there on the
national level. The tragedy of the congress is that it has now to bear
with the likes of Raja and DMK, comprising with all and sudry over
corruption and related crimes. May be the likes of Salman Khursheed
and Kapil Sibal could do some good to the image of the congress in the
future. Rest are as damaging as Kalmadi.

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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
March 7th, 2011 at 9:38 pm

Dear Ziauddin Shafi,

You are being simplistic about the left-right division. You are
obviously ignoring the historical factor of the congress movement of
having been a host to the so called rightists as well as the leftists.
You are also brushing aside the latest trend in Karnataka, Bihar, MP
and Gujarat, where the BJP is becoming a practical alternative to the
congress party for the minorities.

As for the congress party’s image, Salman Khurshid is a very fine
gentleman, who is also a very likeable person even for many in the
BJP, but Kapil Sibal is an abrasive, over-bearing personality, who has
many detractors within his own party. He has also brought much
ridicule for the congress party, by his total support for Raja.

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2.
Mahesh says:
March 8, 2011 at 12:24 am

Sharmaji,
Nice thing that you brought V. P. Singh in focus – a maverick in true
terms on several counts.
But then , Sirjee, those were different times and these are different
times. The revolt that Mr. Advani laments about is not going to come
from within the system. The mainstream polity – Congress, BJP and
regional parties included – has just about stopped being a
representational polity. Despite its communal and casteist fallout
V.P. Singh atleast represented the caste aspirations of control over
the power structure within the state apparatus (in case anybody thinks
reservations were about jobs – well, the Mandal commission
recommendations for governent jobs amounted to about less than 0.1
percent for the total workforce all over the country) . Where does the
current polity stand in comparison ? We may want to start small –
preserving the current growth rate that our aspiring middle class has
gotten so much accustomed to. Do the policies of any of the mainstream
polity really work towards it – as against the “autopilot” our markets
and economy are relegated to ? Crisis in agrarian and rural economy
come much later – something that ,IMHO, none of the political parties
are really in a position to grasp , both in terms of willingness and
competency. Climate induced Un-certainity and its fallout doesn’t even
figure in our great national debate.
The wonderful movie on Titanic provided us a great cinematic metaphor
– Re-arrenging the deck chairs – so often used in Western (promonently
North American) media . With the current political arrangements and
debates , unfortunately, this is what we are seeing.
I honestly hope being off the mark in my assessment here, but somehow
the more I see tone and tenor of debate in our national polity the
more I am getting convinced about this being the case.
– Mahesh.

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3.
nirav says:
March 8, 2011 at 2:39 am

Vinodji,

Are you wanting to reincarnate the ghosts of the mandal commision
again??Lk advani the iron man looks to have rusted…needs to give
company to ABV…:)
The only man who can truly slap the scamsters is Narendra modi…
But the brigades of psuedo secularists and pro gandhi family (actually
that surname is fake as Indiaras husband was Firoz khan and not
gandhy.His father was a muslim)will try their best to spread false
news about gujarat and the man himself.Even after repeated court
verdicts vindiacating Mr modi.Leaders across parties in maharashta few
weeks back were praising him.On one side We have a family that
destroyed the fabric of the politic …Remember how rahul was caught by
FBI in drug/money laundering in 2001,then how sanjeev gandhi was
changed to sanjay gandhi,italian antique smuggling business of the
gandhi in laws..family love with Mr Q..and still the lady of that
family sonia reports that she is so poor that she doesnt even own a
car:)
On the other hand Modis family lives is poverty and he even refused a
calss iV trasfer for his brother.
Still the media continues to romance with the INC masters…
I wonder when will people be loyal to the soil of the country rather
than salt of thier corrupt masters…

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4.
Guju [Click to see nuggets from this page] says:
March 8, 2011 at 3:00 am

BABA RAM DEVJI MAHARAJ HAS ARRIVED WITH NEW AVTAR OF JAYAPRAKASH
NARAYAN. HAVE SOME PATIENCE AND THERE IS GREAT CHANGE COMING TO INDIA
WHEN SLEEPING PUBLIC WAKES UP TO THE TRUTH. IT IS GREAT SHAME THAT
THIS BLOG HAS NEVER MENTIONED WHO IS LOOTING THE COFFERS OF INDIA AND
WHO IS PROTECTING THOSE PEOPLE INVOLVED.
THERE IS CRUDE JOKE IN THE WEST INTELLECTUAL CIRCLE THAT INDIA’S
ECONOMIC GROWNS BY NIGHT WHEN THE P.M. AND S.P.M. AND THE CONGRESS
PARTY POLITICIANS AND THEIR CHEER LEADERS, THE ENGLISH MEDIA AND
CHAMCHAS ARE FAST ASLEEP, THIS IS THE STATE INDIA HAS BEEN REDUCED TO
BY THIS UNINTELLIGENT AND INCOMPETENT FERALS HAVING LOOTED THE COUNTRY
UNDER THE P.M. IS ONE WHO IS NOT THE REAL ONE , AND THE REAL ONE HAS
NO SELF RESPECT LEFT AND IS SHAME LESS , WITHOUT ACCOUNTABILITY TO THE
MASSES OF INDIA.
IT LOOKS LIKE SUSHMA SWARAJ HAS JOIN IN TO PROTECT THIS TRAITORS AND
GHADHARS OF INDIA. IT HAS BECOME SO DIFFICULT TO TELLL THE DIFFERENCE
BETWEEN CONGRESS MEMBER OR B.J.P.
SO FAR, NO ONE HAS ASKED THE PUPPET P.M. WHOSE SELCTION WAS
P.J.THOMAS ? UNDER WHOSE DURESS AND BEHEST HE WAS FORCED ON THE PEOPLE
OF INDIA ? WHY HE WAS PICKED AND NONE OTHERS. WHAT PART
UNCONSTITUTIONAL S.P.M. PLAYED IN ALL THIS SAGA ? THE OPPOSITION HAS
NO BALLS NOR SPINES TO PUT ACROSS TO THIS SPINELESS – HEADLESS CHICKEN
SARDAR.
I HOPE THE BLOGGER SHOULD REWRITE HIS/HER BLOG.

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March 8, 2011 at 3:16 am

Honorable L K Advani is getting too okd. He comes from the fascist RSS
family. I wish, for the record at least, he ought to admit to the fact
that he was sidelined, if not barred altogethe, over his remark on
Mohammad Ali Jinnah, the most hated person in RSS organization, being
secular. Jinnah was truly secular. He donated his Bombay real estate,
a bungalow on Malabar Hill, to Bombay University in his will. Bombay
university senate debated the issue but almost all the members were
either Brahmins or their fellow travelers. They rejected the offer.
Why would a Muslim president of newly established country of Pakistan
consider Bombay University or any other Indian institution worthy of
his generosity? My point is that challenging the party rom within is
common to all parties including BJP/RSS. Before Jinnah formed a
separate Muslim League, he was a member of the Congress party in good
standing. Did Congress forgave him of his rebellion? Did any other
Hindu ever forgave him for his actions? Talk is cheap. AQll decisions
from local to national are taken by few at the top of the party
hierarchy. In Congress Sonia Gandhi decides who should be what, say
what, do what. The very same thing is seen in BJP. All decisions are
taken by one person. Barring daily, routine business. Most all other
regional parties do exactly the same. Mulayam Yadav, Mamata Banerjee,
Mayawati, Bal/Uddhav Thackeray, M Karunanidhi, J Jayalalithaa are all
made in the same mould. Party members do not have any say in the
decision making process. They just put their thumb print on. India has
no credible democracy. Candidates for local as general elections are
carefully selected by political bosses. Not in America or for that
matter in any other country that I know. In Banana Republic, that is
India, oops, Bharat, monkey business is the order of the day. L K
Advani may lament as much as he want to. It is his right, right?

…and I am Sid Harth

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Advani’s act of statesmanship?

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Lal Krishna Advani is an emotional man easily moved to tears. Some
might consider that a personality flaw because leaders come across as
weak while betraying emotions in public. Their task is to wipe tears
of the dispossessed rather than wallowing in self-grief.

But Pandit Nehru was an emotional man. So was Vajpayee. Did that make
them lesser leaders? Not really. Those were men who cared and insisted
on making that known to people. Nehru’s quick temper didn’t show him
as vulnerable. It was a measure of his hold over those who got a taste
of it. Vajpayee’s myriad moods contributed to his mystique.

The housekeeper at Teen Murti House when it was the Prime Minister’s
official residence, Bimla Sindhi, once told me that Vajpayee wept like
a child at Panditji’s funeral. I was a witness myself to his very
evident sense of grief over Sanjay Gandhi’s demise in an air crash. He
called it “surya-ast” (sunset) in a style hard to imitate.

Grieving and celebrating with rivals makes a polity richer and
conducive to consensus building. Amid such basic bonhomie, if one has
the courage to say sorry or accept mistake—for a wrong done or a dart
misdirected — the ambience becomes so much more creative. That’s where
Advani’s apology to Sonia Gandhi over the Swiss bank account
allegation she termed as baseless, gives one hope.

There were some out of turn statements by Congress leaders on the BJP
patriarch’s regret letter. But officially, the AICC restricted itself
to calling it a welcome step. I’m not sure whether it will set the
tone for a respectable idiom in our political discourse. But it’s a
happy respite from invectives, abuses and reckless defiling of
reputations.

The ruling combination and the opposition must steadfastly keep their
genuine differences. They’d do well, however, to keep rhetoric from
denigrating into crass mudslinging. If it isn’t possible at all levels
of rank and file, at least the top leadership must consciously strive
for a relationship of mutual respect despite differences.

A model in this regard could be the changed chemistry between Sonia
and Sushma Swaraj, the Leader of Opposition who threatened to launch
Quit India Movement II in 2004 if the Congress president were to
become prime minister.

They have today a fairly cordial equation that encourages them to
exchange notes on even family matters. Now they don’t need a third
person to communicate on key issues. As it takes two to tango, the
credit is theirs jointly.

Sonia enjoyed a fairly good equation with even Vajpayee. He was the
first person she called after the terrorist attack on Parliament. She
by then had returned home and was anxious to know whether the PM was
safe. Later, when the late Chandrashekhar was indisposed, she drove
down to his residence to convince him to travel abroad for treatment.

I’m sure that they aren’t going to spare any opportunity to pin each
other down politically. But Advani’s apology to Sonia could be a
precursor to a good working relationship— in Parliament and on other
forums.

Last November, Sonia and her son Rahul had dropped by at Advani’s room
in Parliament House for a cup of tea, on being told by his daughter
Pratibha that it was her dad’s birthday. Here’s wishing them loads of
such conviviality in 2011 and beyond.
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1.
ishwar says:
February 21, 2011 at 9:12 pm

Mr. Advani is neither the CBI nor the Supreme Court.

If he has expressed regret over the allegation that the family of
Sonia Gandhi has held secret Swiss bank accounts, it is welcome. But,
it only means that he has given the family a benefit of doubt.

There are people in this country like Mr. Swamy and Mr. Gurumurthy who
would not “regret” having made such allegations – they would rather
prove it in a court of law.

Until then – peace.

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2.
B.V.SHENOY says:
February 21, 2011 at 9:47 pm

Dear Shri Vinod Sharma,

This is one of your better articles and I commend it.

I too was first dismayed to read media reports that A dvani has
“apologised” to Sonia Gandhi about the BJP task force allegation that
she has/had bank account/s. S.Gurumurthy has explained that the Delhi
media, never found wanting in showing the BJP and particularly Advani
in poor light, converted a simple ‘regret’ from him into an earth-
shaking ‘apology’.

What the regret/apology has done is to bring the focus back on Sonia
Gandhi’s Swiss Bank accounts, the reports of which the media had
earlier quickly swept under the carpet. What confounds me also is why
the friends of the congress party in US, who had filed a defamation
suit for $100million for precisely the same reason (her having Swiss
bank accounts) againdt some Hindu organisations in the US, later
withdrew the suit unceremoniously.

Now I hope the media will pursue the matter in right earnest. Let this
forum set the ball rolling.

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3.
das says:
February 22, 2011 at 2:45 am

Advani has expressed regret, but the Swamy stand by his charge.
Interestingly, Sonia, rahul and their countless lackeys like Vinod
Sharma have not made any noise on that serious issue. So these self-
congratulatory noises by Congressis press is premature.

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4.
aryan says:
February 22, 2011 at 2:49 am

she may not have the accounts in Swiss banks, however, she has never
denied having accounts in the Italian banks or other off shore tax
heavens !!!
Where else is she hiding the big part of the comission that she got in
bofors & from defreezing the Quattrochi accounts ???????
Is she hiding under the mattress and having a cosy sleep at the cost
of the poor Indians ?? Or is little puppy carrying it in his hand bags
for which he was detained at the airport ??
No clean chit to this lady. She is corrupt to the core !!

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5.
ram autar says:
February 22, 2011 at 2:57 am

bibi dimple intellectual corruption is more dangerous than financial
corruption.

.

No. Hundred and one times we have said that money corruption, like all
the current raging controversy on the spectrum scandal (Rs. 1.76 lakh
crores), the country’s largest fraud, is a by-product of the most
serious intellectual corruption which is the Gangotri of all other
varieties of corruption (India’s Intellectual Desert, DSA-1999, Rs.
50).

GANDHI AS KING OF CORRUPTION
The tragedy, however, is this all-important “intellectual corruption”
is kept totally hidden and our attention is diverted only to “money
corruption” which is magnified and repeated daily through TV, print
media, films, speeches etc. So much so the people are made to believe
that “money corruption” is the most serious disease killing India.

No. It is not money corruption. India is the victim of intellectual
corruption.

This variety corruption is hidden because those indulging in it are
our ruling Bhoodevatas. This is the secret.

M.K. Gandhi was the king of this intellectual corruption.

And yet the ordinary people go on talking of only the money
corruption.

FLOURISHING GOD BUSINESS
This itself proves how much we are blinded by the Brahminical
propaganda.

Look at the latest example of the 102 unthinking SC/ST/BCs who went to
Sabarimala and died there for nothing. Where is the money corruption
here? Brahmin priests are promoting a superstition of the makarajyoti,
to see which millions go there and die like flies. This is part of the
Brahminical “god business”. This is intellectual corruption.

BRAHMINIST MONOPOLY
Even a “marxist govt.” of Kerala, which controls the Sabarimala
temple, dare not touch the “god business” fearing the wrath of the
godmen who control the god. Is this “money corruption”?

Promoting superstition, blind belief, all sorts of humbugs like yoga,
astrology, god business, Kumbh mela, Hindu racism (untouchability),
merit mantra, and many more — all these are not part of money
corruption but “intellectual corruption” which is the exclusive
monopoly of the Brahminists.

The Kerala Govt. rejected a probe into makarajyoti because the entire
lot of 2% Brahminists and their tail will lose leadership over the
business called “Hindu religion” once the SC/ST/BCs come to know that
makarajyoti is a man-made bullshit. As the Assembly election is
nearing, marxist’s can’t go against Brahminists.

GOVT. PROTECTING CORRUPTION
Justice V.R. Krishna Iyer, the most famous Brahmin leader of Kerala
wearing a marxist garb, is silent because of the jati interest.

Where is the money corruption here?

Here is a case of a govt. itself protecting the “intellectual
corruption” of the rulers of India who fearing a threat to their
rulership, are diverting our attention from “”intellectual corruption”
to “money corruption”.

Shoot down the intellectual corruption, all other corruptions
including the money corruption will commit suicide.

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Dilip Reply:
February 22nd, 2011 at 5:17 am

Hi Jack ***……………….

I do not know what else to call you !!! While I welcome your criticism
that the blind belief of Makar Jyoti has not been stopped, I agree
with you 100%.

Your sanity stops there. How do you know all the sabarimala stampede
deaths were entirely belonging to SC/ST/BC??????????

And then you try to fan the fire (a.k.a your stupidity) alleging nexus
between Marxism and Brahminism……………..

Dude go and get your admitted to a mental hospital…………… Corruption of
any kind is dangerous for the country…………..

Unfortunately, in present day India, hypocrites like you are the ones
listened to attentively !!!!

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ram autar Reply:
February 23rd, 2011 at 7:01 pm

MR DILIP INTELLECTUAL CORRUPTION is mother of all corruptions.see
urslf.BHAGWAN STYA SAI BABA,the KING OF FRAUDS,IS NOW dying inspite of
being bhagwan.

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max Reply:
February 25th, 2011 at 3:52 pm

@ ram, dying inspite of being bhagwan

– that’’s better than man flying on horse to heaven. which part of sky
is islamic heven & christian ones…

Kmohan Reply:
February 22nd, 2011 at 9:25 am

May be Ram Autar is right that we suffer from Intellectual Corruption.
But that has been part of human culture which invented the concept of
God and gave him supreme Abstract powers. The purveyors of his
thoughts, actions, acceptance, and/or rejections of human acts were
called Brahmins, Priests, Bishops, Mullahs, Imams , Lamas etc.etc. Yet
we must admit that Intellectual field stops where reasoning on faith
becomes futile. Even when Science & Technology may replace GOD, the
human reasoning becomes limitless and becomes infinity.
Our problem is that common man thinks Religion & God is the final
symbol of universal power because Spirituality is not understood since
it does have not have Human form and is not manifested in
Human(social) actions.

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6.
Jorawar singh; says:
February 22, 2011 at 3:16 am

He is emotional.but his emotions wore silence when his own party
leaders made complaint about rampant corruption in bjp ruled state
like Rajasthan. he was not ready to listen nor take any action.

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Sardarji [Click to see nuggets from this page] says:
February 22, 2011 at 4:06 am

I think the present-day India with all its technological glory and
upward mobility can find politically-correct, common-sense solutions
to most issues and problems. With regard to swiss-bank accounts, if a
certain public leader who holds a public office is accused, then the
ball is in his or her court to disprove it. The onus is on them to
disprove it. All they have to do is to call a press-conference and
show that they don’t have swiss-bank accounts. So, what is the big
problem here? If such public figures don’t want to do that, the bright
Indian common-man will assume that they really have those accounts. I
think what is being asked is fair and square.

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8.
ramesh says:
February 22, 2011 at 5:54 am

MR SHARMA SHOULD ELABORATE HOW A PERSONAL COMMUNICATION BETWEEN SONIA
AND MR ADVANI BECAME PUBLIC.WAS CONGRESS PRESIDENT COMMUNICATING THRU
PARTY SECRETARIES.IS IT COMMON TO MAKE ALL HER CORRESPONDENCE PUBLIC.
THE WHOLE ANNOUNCEMENT FROM CONGRESS SIDE IS IN BAD TASTE.
THE COMMENTS OF A MINISTER AMBICA SONI.WERE REALLY CLASSIC EXAMPLE
OF ,WHAT PARTY THINKS.
SHOULD WE UNDERSTAND GANDHI FAMILY HAS NO MONEY ABROAD IN SWISS BANK
OR OTHER TAX HAVENS?
MR VINOD SHARMA IS REQUESTED TO PUT FORTH VIEWS OFMR.GURUMURTHY AND
HIS TEAM.
I DISAGREE VITH SHARMA JI,ON EXPRESSION OF GRIEF IN PUBLIC BY LEADERS.
IT IS A WEAKNESS AND SUCH EXHIBITION OF GRIEF IS NOT EXPECTED FROM
GREAT LEADERS.

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HPN Reply:
February 22nd, 2011 at 7:30 am

Mr Vinod Sharma may or may not respond to you. But let me give you my
own mind. Even if Gandhi family have secret money, they will be naive
to have them where everyone will be trying to find out. After all,
they are all seasoned enough to take care of this basic requirement.
So is Advani, who knows very well they will never be able to connect
them with any kind of known sources of black money accounts.
Therefore, the regret/apology.

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ramesh Reply:
February 23rd, 2011 at 7:35 am

MR VINOD SHARMA,I UNDERSTAND YOU REPLY TO SELECTED PEOPLE.I EXPECT A
RESPONSE.WE HAVE BEEN SLAVES FOR CENTURIES AND REASON IS WELL
UNDERSTOOD.I HAVENOT USED A SINGLE UNPARLIAMENTARY WORD.KINDLY LET ME
ATLEAST KNOW THE REASON FOR NOT RESPONDING.
I AM SURE IT IS NOT ASKING TOO MUCH.

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vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 25th, 2011 at 5:48 pm

@Ramesh
I have no intention of ignoring any visitor to this blog. I am glad
you read my views and have responded. My answer:
Advani’s reply leaked from the BJP side. The original letter of Sonia
was leaked by Congress sources the next day. That is normally the way
political parties share contents of correspon-dene between senior
leaders. I have no personal knowledge about any politicians swiss
accounts. So wouldn’t be able to answer that part of your query.
Many thanks

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9.
KHORANA says:
February 22, 2011 at 6:36 am

What rubbish? IS HAMAMM MEIN SABH NANGGHEY HAIN…every body in INDIAN
POLITICS has money in SWISS BANK.& else where .to what ever PARTY they
belongs…this is the simple truth…..so let us admit it..

This is not LOH PURUSH /Strong man OF B.J.P. getting carried awey with
all this..SONIA GANDHI is a shrewed INDIAN BAHOOO..she has asked him
to shut up…which he has done like a shrewed INDIAN POLITICIAN…

Moreover with the changed senerio after 9/11 the world scenerio has
changed ..as U.S. wants that SWISS BANK money should not be used by
TERRORISTS …so this all is happening.

& finelly it is better INDIA goes the way of U.S. type of democracy …
where elected PRESIDENT IS FREE TO CHOOSE HIS CABINET …leaving behind
the corrupt POLITICIANS.

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10.
dipdi says:
February 22, 2011 at 7:36 am

What stupidities we find here in the name of journalism.Now dear Vinod
a great CHAMCHA is goin to declare Sonia as Durga very soon.

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vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 25th, 2011 at 5:51 pm

@Dipdi
You do not know me personally. So please don’t cross the lines of
decency. I think we can talk with mutual respect despite differences.

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11.
Candor says:
February 22, 2011 at 9:01 am

Earlier, leaders used to command respect from the public which is fast
evaporating. There is some fault on part of media also as a mere
regret is published as apology. Any person does not deserve apology
unless he or she is exonerated with a legal probe. With widespread
corruption going under Congress led govt., Sonia Gandhi cannot get a
complete clean image. Being a foreigner, she will always be doubted
and therefore, till she is Congress President, she must ensure nothing
wrong happens and if happens, there is proper action taking
irrespective of their govt. survives or not. The countrymen opinion is
that Karunanidhi should have been raided and by not raiding
Karunanidhi, Congress has put itself into doubt and public feels
Congress has hand in glove in 2G spectrum scam and therefore, both
Congress and DMK are holding eachothers hand. Karunanidhi had demanded
the telecom ministry particularly and with A Raja as telecom minister.

Irrespective of parties, people should keep some personal bondings
also and there is nothing wrong if they enquire the well being of each
other.

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12.
V.K.CHAWLA says:
February 22, 2011 at 9:27 am

REALLY , HOW REGRET LETTER OF ADVANI BECOMES A LETTER OF APOLOGY.
TECHNICALLY REGRET & APOLOGY ARE POLES APART , IN ITS MEANING . DID
THIS COUNTRY FORGET HOW A FOREIGNER LEADER OF CONGRESS PARTY ,
LITERALLY MISBEHAVED WITH VAJPAYEE SAYING MANY THINGS IN PARLIAMENT
BUT THERE WAS NO REGRET OR APOLOGY .

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13.
Sid says:
February 22, 2011 at 9:28 am

The problem with Advani is he never attained the WISDOM, many people
attain after reaching, the age of 70. Even now, FOUR out of his TEN
statements make him look like a novice than an emotional leader. He is
NO patch for some of the better leaders of BJP. He also suffers from
second in command syndrome – never fit for TOP job!

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14.
Paritosh [Click to see nuggets from this page] says:
February 22, 2011 at 10:44 am

Advani made a mistake by apologising Sonia Maino. its indeed true that
Sonia and Rahul Baba must be having black money in Swiss Bank accounts

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15.
Vijay Kumar says:
February 22, 2011 at 11:54 am

Well Advani may have expresses regret,but th following questions
remain unanswered

a) Mr Q was close to the Ghandy family and also an agent for various
MNC’s pitching for Indian contracts

b) Somebody took huge kickbacks in HDW, Bofors and other defence
contracts.

c) Mr Rajiv Gandhi chose to fudge the issue and alos protect MR Q :)

Well, Advani’s regret does not wipe out this truht of history :) :)

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16.
Vijay Kumar says:
February 22, 2011 at 2:31 pm

The arrogant COngress is now set to take on Baba Ramdev. First its MP
in Arunachal abused Ramdev. And now Digvijay Singh with his line that
Batla killers were innocent kids but Ramdev is communal has accused
Ramdev of collecting money.

I think, given the wide popularity Ramdev enjoys, one can safely
deduct at least 5% votes from the Congress now onwards ! :)

Long live Digvijay and Mani Aiyar !! Together these jokers along with
Rahul will plunge COngress inot a fate worse than 1989 ! :D :D

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vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 22nd, 2011 at 7:27 pm

@V ijay Kumar
Baba Ramdev is good to me and we spoke on phone yesterday. Anybody has
a right to join politics or float a political party. I feel he can be
more effective being a referee rather than a political player himself.
He’d also do well to talk less and do more — an advice I once gave him
in Rajat Sharma’s show. I also requested him to find a remedy for rage
and anger that’s so evident in our daily lives.

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Mritunjay Sharma Reply:
February 22nd, 2011 at 9:55 pm

Wish someone had given you similar advice not to join Media and
encouraged you to join Politics. You along with Diggy and Mani would
be awesome combination…you may call it Trimurthy or 3-Idiots.. choice
is yours :)

Anyways on more serious note. I do believe that political leader
should show more statesman like behavior in real life. It looks stupid
to see them quarrel on petty issues or do Tu-Tu Main-Main.. Also wish
the same statesmanship was shown by Sonia Gandhi..she referred to the
publicly elected Cm of one of the state “Maut Ke Saudagar”..Wasn’t
that childish, Mr. Vinod Sharma??

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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
February 23rd, 2011 at 12:41 pm

Mrityunjay,

There is an outside chance that Vinod Sharma might even have accepted
the advice. But, of the other two members of the triumvirate, Digvijay
would have only gone by the advice of Rajiv Gandhi/Sonia Gandhi or
some Muslim peer/faqir and Mani Shankar Aiyar is a self-confessed
nastik. Therefore, the teaming up of the three would never have
happened.

vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 23rd, 2011 at 1:51 pm

@Mritunjay
I am capable of being even more acerbic. But will not rise to your
bait. Shall request you to read the tone of the debate and not be
needlessly petulant.

V.K.CHAWLA Reply:
February 25th, 2011 at 11:23 pm

SHE EVEN HAD CALLED VAJPAYEE SEEING ‘ MUNGERI LAL KE SAPNE ‘ , IN A
DISCUSSION IN PARLIAMENT , AS A LEADER OF OPPOSITION IN NDA TENURE .
IT IS ANOTHER MATTER THAT SHE COULD NOT PRONOUNCE THE WORD PROPERLY &
HAD MADE THE HASH OF THE WORDS BUT EVERYBODY PRESENT THERE KNOWS WHAT
SHE ACTUALLY SAID DESPITE UPROARS FROM NDA SIDE .

Vijay Kumar Reply:
February 23rd, 2011 at 11:07 am

@ Vinod Sharma

Nice to know you are a fan of Baba Ramdev. He does exude honesty and
freshness. THough to run a nation, you probably need more– economic
growth, foreign policy, investments, law order etc. And not just
unraveling blackmoney.

But it won’t be a bad idea in case he were a kingmaker and not a king.
He certainly has appeal across all sections and especially in small
towns.

However that may end up being his undoing. Mayawati is already uneasy
with him; Brinda Karat tried to label him as a tantric, superstitious
HIndu using cannibalisitic methods– her mentality applauds the murders
of Mao and Stalin, but not the healthy, good work of Ramdev.
:D :D

And if Digvijay and COngress try to make fun of him by labelling him
as communal– as they do to all Hindus, they are probably going to sink
the congress by 5% vote reducing it to just 19% of all India
voters… :D

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Vijay Kumar Reply:
February 23rd, 2011 at 11:09 am

@ VInod Sharma,

And if you do need an effective remedy for anger and rage, you can
email me at ***@gmail.com. I promise and effective remedy– :)
Well it could just be drinking a glass of water or maybe a glass of
beer or maybe a mysterious factor x… :)

vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 24th, 2011 at 12:12 pm

@Swamy Vijay Kumar
Aap to Ram Dev se bhi badey Swami nikle :) ). Paani safeed aur rangeen
dono recommend kar diye aap ne. Par yeh X kya hai— ecstasy?

Vijay Kumar Reply:
February 24th, 2011 at 12:34 pm

@ Vinod Sharma.

X is ecstasy — but not the goli wali variety. It is a combination of
engineering mechanics and psychology. An email and appointment and u
will get it .. free. and i am being serious ! :) Very serious.

vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 25th, 2011 at 6:04 pm

@Vijay Kumar
I”m not a fan but a friend of Baba Ramdev. He has been kind enough to
invite me as a speaker to seiminars at patanjali vidyapeeth. Thrice I
was the judge at his Q&A with
Rajat Sharma. Thanks by the way for your offer of help. Over the
years, I have deviced my own ways of unwinding. That prescription I do
not share with anybody. But have you heard that gazal (details of
which can be provided by Swami Shenoy): Yar ko maine, mujhe yaar ne,
sone no diya…. :) )
17.
Praveen Saxena says:
February 22, 2011 at 3:00 pm

If the Subject is being civil and courteous even to one’s political
opponents , then I may submit it was always visible among the great
parliamentarians across the political spectrum , and we can recall
many witty exchanges between political leaders belonging to opposite
sides.But if one politician of recent times who it appears is just
beginning to learn it , is Sonia Gandhi. .
The servility of the average Congress politician put her on that
pedestal.She is enjoying it. But many like me see a ceratin “gulami ki
mansikta “in the blind worship which is promoted by the Congress
Party. Obviously that contempt and animosity is always visible in her
manner and statements. and I think this also a part of her poltical
strategy. But probably she is realizing that this strategy also
imposes serious limitations in reaching out .
As for L K Advani, he is veteran politician with considerable
experience. I see more of a poltical motive behind the letter of
regret. It would be silly to,presume that his regret amounts to
absolving the Gandhis of all charges of unaccounted money and money
laundering, if and when the evidence comes out. Although in the
process he has undermined the Committee set up by his own party which
did the study, but then the negative fall-out for him , is probably of
lesser consequence

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18.
Vijay Kumar says:
February 22, 2011 at 5:14 pm

With the announcement of the court verdict on Godhra one seriously
hopes that

a) Digvijay and COngress don’t try to make fun of it and say that the
Karsewaks committed suicide
as Lalu thorugh his fake enquiry commission tried to potray

b) BJP should take this as a case of criminal justice and not use it
to defame Muslims in general.

But with the bread and butter of news channel depending on raising
controversy, woh toh aag hi lagayenge… :( :(

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vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 22nd, 2011 at 7:22 pm

@Vijay Kumar
The last word on the subject is yet to be heard and might come from
the Apex Court which is also monitoring probes into the post-Godhra
riots. We must awat the wheels of justice to take the full circle. In
the meanwhile, nothing be done to disturb communal peace.

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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
February 22nd, 2011 at 9:42 pm

Vinodji,

The discarded politicians, Laloo and Ram Vilas are already out with
their condemnation of the verdict. It cannot be said with certainty
that the Apex court has the last word, if we go by the Shah Bano
judgement. But I would most certainly support anyone who says that
even the thirty one convicted persons get a second and more thorough
look at their cases. It can’t be anybody’s case that the police
investigation should be the last word on their culpability, in a case
of such serious dimensions.

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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
February 22nd, 2011 at 9:46 pm

I would also support the humanitarian demand for compensation to those
found “not guilty”, since many of them were the sole bread winners for
their families and they have had to spend more than eight years of
their productive life behind prison bars.

vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 23rd, 2011 at 2:06 pm

@BV Shenoy
I think there is case for compensation wherever there is miscarriage
of justice — no matter who the victim is —Hindu or Muslim.
19.
Praveen Saxena says:
February 22, 2011 at 5:41 pm

An alternate viewpoint has been put out by Mr S Gurumurthy, a Member
of the Task Force., that Advani’s letter had atleast broght into focus
the work of the Task Force and its findings against the Gandhi (some
would prefer ” Ghandy) family. The release of the Task Force findings
had been attended by the Media , but the story was spiked because of
the names of Gandhis. So atleast Advani’s letter did the good deed
that the findings got publicity.
An interesting angle to the story.

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ishwar Reply:
February 22nd, 2011 at 10:40 pm

For the benefit of other readers, here’s a link of Mr. Gurumurthy’s
take on the issue…

http://expressbuzz.com/opinion/columnists/distress-and-regret/249803.html
[Click to see nuggets from this page]

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20.
ram [Click to see nuggets from this page] says:
February 22, 2011 at 6:31 pm

Vinnu

my sincere request to you that

please put “PAID EDITORIAL”

like DNA says “this paper is free of any paid news”

of course i will will read it although its paid (monetary or
otherwise)

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21.
(Dr.) B.N.Anand says:
February 22, 2011 at 6:58 pm

Dear Vinod Sharma ji

I was not surprised to see you posting a blog on this subject and I
was expecting it to come anytime. I based my presumption on the fact
when HT made it an eight column headline news on the front page.
In any case, these leaders of all political parties think themselves
to belong to one big family of politicians in the country. Their
benefits do not stop when they are even out of power. They always live
and get their works done whether in or out of power. Their political
differences do not stand in the way.
The hostility which they show to each other in public or in tv studios
is only for the masses for to gain political points with the masses of
the country. It is only the people who get fooled while the leaders
always become buddies as soon as they are out of the tv studios or out
of the public view.
So I am not as much excited as the media has made it to be an exciting
moment in the Indian polity.
BNA

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vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 22nd, 2011 at 7:19 pm

@Dr Anand
You are entitled to your views. The point I made was that leaders of
different parties must have a working relationship despite differences
to forge a common stand on key national issues.
The ruling and opposition parties should not behave as enemies.

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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
February 22nd, 2011 at 9:30 pm

Vinodji,

It is said that once when Sardar Patel was arguing a case in the
court, he received a telegram; he went through the message and coolly
kept it inside his pocket and continued with his argument. Only later
people came to know that the telegram carried the message about the
death of his wife. He never showed any overt emotions, despite being a
loving husband.

You have mentioned the names of Nehru, Vajapayee and Advani, who could
all be moved by their emotions to display publicly their anger or
grief or even happiness. But we have in Karnataka politicians who have
made emotionalism a political weapon. Deve Gowda and his two political
heavy-weight sons regularly cry in public ostensibly to show their
grief at the plight of farmers, of whom these worthies are the self-
appointed guardians. Of late Yeddyurappa too has taken a leaf out of
the thick book authored by the Gowdas titled “100 different ways of
shedding crocodile tears”.

At the last count the book had sold four copies, three complimentary
ones to the Gowdas and one bought by Yeddy.

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Vijay Kumar Reply:
February 23rd, 2011 at 11:13 am

@ Shenoy,

There are many men I know who will not show any emotion when their
wives choose to leave them and meet God.

And they are many more men who will dance with joy when their wives or
girlfriends do the same…. :)

vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 23rd, 2011 at 2:03 pm

:}} :}} :}} Funny really Mr Shenoy if it is true.
22.
Vijay Kumar says:
February 22, 2011 at 7:00 pm

The happenings in Tunisia, Egypt and Libya are a grim remainder to the
ruling families of India who want pass on the baton to their dynaties
as a matter of right. While India has more or less been a democracy,
we cannot forget how Indiraji conveniently said that in true
democratic manner I am giving you a choice — first Sanjay, then
Rajiv :D :D

Rahul should remember that political dynasties are now hated– that
despite the sycophants around him who remeind him that the Gaddi is
his because of his inheritence, the people of India have no love for
an idiot who has equated Hindus with the LeT… :(

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HPN Reply:
February 23rd, 2011 at 4:57 am

The Gandhis are ruling by proxy. Sonia Gandhi has found this novel way
and it is working. So, why will Rahul try to rule directly? They will
again put in their men/women as candidates, choose one like MMS for
the post of PM and continue like this, without any accountability for
themselves.

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23.
Rajiv says:
February 22, 2011 at 9:36 pm

————————————————————————————-
Godhra verdict and criminal, communal journalism..
————————————————————————————-
Godhra carnage, in which 59 Hindu pilgrims were burnt to death by a
muslim mob, has been a 4-letter word from criminal and communal
journalists in India.

The idea peddled by
1. Congress,
2. Congress peddling journalists,
3. thug communists and
4. callous lieful politicians like Lalu and Mulayam has been that

Gujrat riots had no relation to Godhra massacre. That the Gujrat riots
were not a sponteneous reaction to the sheer brutality of the Godhra
burnings. The idea they peddled or insinuated was that the Gujrat
riots were pre-planned and possible even the Godhra burnings pre-
planned by the victims and their sympathizers themselves.

As I have said, the intellectual dishonesty of that communal cabal
knows no limits.

The Gujrat riots were uised by the same communal class for distorting
facts.
How did over 100 Gujrat policement die trying to confront the mobs and
protect the citizens ?
Did they die protecting Hindus from Muslim rioters or protecting
Muslims from Hindu rioters ?
How did over 200 Hindus dies in the riots following the Godhra
carnage ? Did they commit suicide ?

The point is, the Gujrat riots, were just that. Riots provoked by a
brutal cold blooded massacre. Yes many innocents died from both
communities in the riots, many lost property and the state must learn
lessons, correct its mistakes, hold those accountable who did not do
enough to protect but should never communalize it in a thuggish,
callous political way as Congress and large sections of criminal
communists and congress peddling media has done.

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ram autar Reply:
February 23rd, 2011 at 6:50 pm

200 Hindus dies
BIG LIE.INGODHRA.
compartment was fired by vhp goons from inside and locked from
outside.this was reserve bogey and all passengers are alive.from where
these people came in compartment.riot was pre-planned.
bogey at godhra eas fired by rss fascist to provide reason for riot.
first riot they ignited in 1969.since then justto take control of high
caste votes ,repeating the experiment.muslims are 6%.they cannot
retaliate when hindu mobs attacks them with the help of police and
fascist gundaas.they have snatche babies from the laps of their
mothers fkd them and cut them into pieces in front of their
mother.same heinous crime they committed in taj and oberoi on
26/11.this episode was also engineered by sacred brhmns.

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Mohan Ramchandani Reply:
February 23rd, 2011 at 10:04 pm

Ram,

Since you have proof of Godhra train buring , why dont you offer to
become witness
for defence to save those 31 people who have been charged.?

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ram autar Reply:
February 23rd, 2011 at 11:59 pm

they will be released.i or u have not to worry.inside gujrat modi ka
qanoon hai .outside desh ka.only thing
they will loose some years of his precious life.fire in compartment
started from inside .there was no muslim there.compartment was locked
from outside.vhp was there.
riot was preplanned this incident was used to provocate the hindus.

GHUSSA BADA AQALMAND HOTA HAI
HAMESHA KAMZOOR PAR AATA HAI.

zhoot kee tahni kabhi phalti
naav kagaz kee kabhi chalti nahin.

main conspirator is released due to evidence.this was conspiracy.

raj Reply:
February 25th, 2011 at 4:02 pm

@hey ram,

MUSLIMS BURNT THE TRAIN
now stop jumpimg from blog to blog & writing the same lies again &
again.

really, what are the things, you don’t hate in life.

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24.
ishwar says:
February 22, 2011 at 10:51 pm

@ B.V.SHENOY

Mr. Shenoy, while I always agree with your views on most of the
subjects discussed here, I fail to understand the logic behind
“humanitarian demand for compensation to those found – not guilty”.

Why do they deserve any compensation? Are they the only ones in the
country who have been behind the bars only to be found – not guilty –
by a court of law. As far as I know, there is no such provision under
the law and we should not set a precedence.

If we were to start compensating everyone who had been wrongly
detained while the case carried on for years, then by same yardstick,
let’s start putting the lawyers behind the bar who fight cases for
criminals whose guilt/crime is proved by the courts.

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Mahesh Reply:
February 23rd, 2011 at 12:29 am

@Ishwar,
While I don’t intend to get into the “compensation
debate” (specifically, how much compensation) – we do have a lot of
“pending clean-up” to be done with our judicial processes. Several
undertrials – casually detained by our law enforcement agencies have
wasted precious years of their lives. A bigger underlying question is
how do we make the law enforcement agencies accountable for not
commiting these – well – crimes ? Even further , how do we ensure the
law enforcement agencies are not under pressure to hastily find a
culprit ?
Another point , given the constraints under which our judicial process
operates – are you sure you want to penalise the defending lawyers ?
Do you really want lawyers turning down cases even at the slightest
hint of “court failure” ?
Cheers,
Mahesh.

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Mahesh Reply:
February 23rd, 2011 at 12:44 am

A small correction on earlier post …
“A bigger underlying question is how do we make the law enforcement
agencies accountable for not commiting these – well – crimes ?”
Needs to be correced to :
“A bigger underlying question is how do we make the law enforcement
agencies accountable for commiting these – well – crimes ?”

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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
February 23rd, 2011 at 12:50 pm

Ishwar,

I see your point of view. There is no provision in the Indian legal
system to pay compensation to those found “not guilty” in a criminal
case.

But, if you see the issue dispassionately, and also see how these
people were “found to have guilt on their hands” and also the police
inefficiency and propensity to find short cuts, irrespective of the
state, an innocent Muslim has more chances of getting arrested and
jailed indefinitely, without bail, than an innocent Hindu. It was from
this point of view I made the suggestion. But, we all are the aam
aadmi and our opinions count for little or nil in matters as profound
as this.

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Praveen Saxena Reply:
February 23rd, 2011 at 2:25 pm

Shenoy Saab

The circumstances are quite to the contrary. The police or for that
matter any govt agency is not hesitant but afraid of entering Muslim
areas and enforcing the law. Mischievous elements in those areas know
how to mobilize violent groups and communalize the situation.
Unfortunately such elements are those who enjoy the protection of the
fake secularists as they deliver en-bloc votes in return . Is it rare
to read and see and know about such happenings ?
As for the Godhra Judgment , it is yet to be seen how many were
“acquitted” and how many were “discharged.”

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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
February 23rd, 2011 at 2:45 pm

Dear Praveen Saxenaji,

unfortunately, we both are right to a large extent. Both situations
have an intimate relation with the community wise crime rate. But,
even if you are right, you have no right to be happy about it and even
if I am right, I too have no cause for joy.

Praveen Saxena Reply:
February 23rd, 2011 at 5:07 pm

Shenoy Saab
Is there even a whisper of joy in my comment? I am not moved
emotionally by these developments. Not any longer. Yes I do feel
worried at times for the future,but may be time shall take care of
these problems in due course… can’t say

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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
February 24th, 2011 at 10:33 am

Dear praveen Saxenaji,

I didn’t mean you personally. Both ‘you’ and ‘I’ are used
collectively. What I said applies to all Muslims/Hindus arrested under
POTA/MISA, AFSPA and such other acts (for rioting and anti-national
activity), which have in-built powers to keep the arrested without
trial for indefinite periods. The same applies to the Naxalites/
Maoists, LTTE, ULFA etc. But, everybody muct first be proved by the
courts to be innocent. We can’t assuage our collective conscience
behind the screen of collateral damage.

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25.
Rajiv says:
February 23, 2011 at 12:09 am

I am not against paying a ‘token compensation’ to all people who are
incarcerated but charges against them could not be proven,
irrespective of the alleged crime. That sends a healthy message.

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26.
usman chaudhry says:
February 23, 2011 at 1:56 am

Greetings Everyone,

One observation (a bit deviated from main topic) require clarification
at my end. Hope someone will enlighten in fair exchange of words
rather than counter verbal abuse:-

– Mr L K Advani described M.A Jinnah to be secular (despite his
politics and struggle for separation lead to creation of Pakistan).
Somewhat praise on his remarks to the father of Pakistan during his
visit in 2006 lead him to great trouble and had to resign from
leadership of his party.

– Down the road Jaswant Singh another BJP politician describe Jinnah
above Nehru and more indian in his book. Invited troubles of criticism
against himself.

– Mr A.B Vajpayee, visited Pakistan and made Lahore declaration,
offered hand shakes of friendship.

It seems BJP had more open soft corner towards Pakistan then other
major ruling party i.e. Congress. Percieved as more hardline
fundamentalist over here is this a party’s vision or an opinion of
few?

Usman
Pakistan

p.s: Folks, dont bring in Kargil incident it is equally astonishing to
people over here as percieved by most of you.

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Rajiv Reply:
February 23rd, 2011 at 3:50 am

Pak media focused on one comment by Advani or Jaswant.
In rest of the book there are many more comments holding Jinnah
responsible for using communalism as a political tool and acting as a
crass communalist while in his personal life he acted secular
including eating pork , wine and marrying someone from outside his
religion while disowning his daughter for marrying outside her
religion !

The fact that Jinah is the father of the modern Taleban is not in
dispute except in some communal circles.

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usman chaudhry Reply:
February 23rd, 2011 at 11:38 pm

@Rajiv

Back then there was no concept of any muslim fundamentalist even
though means was to achieve a separate homeland for muslims of India.
Religion was applied as a tool to sought a solution. Unfortunately,
this is not lasting as it could be a reason to achieve geography but
no the way to run it administratively. His immediate refute to go by
it was what made him at bay with religious heads.

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Rajiv Reply:
March 4th, 2011 at 12:53 am

@Usman

Jinnah used Religion and religion alone, in support of his demand for
Pakistan. You call it a tool for seperate state , I call it a devious
ideology that has given birth to Islamic fundamentalism.
He beleived, as he said repeatedly including in his presidential
address in 1940 at Lahore that Hindus and Muslims cannot live together
in one state. I have quoted his spech in a seperate comment.

Jinnah was communal in his political ideology to the core. Just read
his speeches.
Also his speech in Karachi after Partition , which is often quoted, is
him trying to now seperate the state from religious parties after
using religion to form the state in the first place.

Unprincipled, unethical and dishonest politician. Thats what Jinnah
was and should be seen as.

Vijay Kumar Reply:
February 23rd, 2011 at 11:52 am

@ Usman,

Well when Jaswant Singh or Advani praised Jinnah, they were indirectly
indicting Pakistan for what it had become after Gen Smiling- Cobra-Zia
siezed power.

What they were trying to say is, “look you guys don’t have to tolerate
fanatics as leaders or think Hafeez Saeed is the true role model of a
good Pakistani. Even your founder had a gentle vision where religion
cannot be imposed on non Muslims; that a true Pakistani should not be
a fundamantalist at odds with civlizations of the world…”

I think Jaswant and Advani meant well. In fact it was an indirect
barbat what P{akistan had become. But wrenched out of context, it was
used by the party to have a go at them. In this, the principle prodder
was the COngress…

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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
February 23rd, 2011 at 12:25 pm

Vijay Kumar,

to make the description of Gen Zia more colourful, we can call him
Gen.Smiling-cobra, Dracula-in-bandhgala Zia

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Vijay Kumar Reply:
February 23rd, 2011 at 12:35 pm

@ Shenoy

:) :) And we have to remember that this Smiling cobra-Bandghala
managed to impress our joker Mani Aiyar who could never fathom as
Indian’s cousel General in Islamabad that a terrorist conspiracy in
Punjab and Kashmir was being launched by this Dracula general .

I always imagine Mani Aiyar singing

” Fellow Stephanian
Thick Moustache…
The general is a jolly good chap ! :D

usman chaudhry Reply:
February 23rd, 2011 at 11:41 pm

@Vijay,
Thank you for your response for once it was appealing :) .

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Vinay Reply:
February 23rd, 2011 at 9:36 pm

BJP does not have a unilateral vision. Unlike Congress, where there is
one at the top and rest are followers, each leader in BJP (a liberal
or a conservative) expresses his own view. People like Ram Jethmalani
hold totally opposite stand on some issues raised by the party but
still continue with the party. Views change with every leader and
sometimes also with time. BJP itself has changed with time. Earlier
the party (Old JanSangh and BJP in pre-90s) fought the elections with
issues like uniform civil code, article 370 etc. But awareness among
the mass then was limited, they got emotionally carried away with
Congress slogans like “Garibi Hatao”. Early 90s BJP also came with
emotional ideas (“Mandir Wahi Banayenge”) which gave dividends. Since
then, it has stuck to a conservative image and banking too much on
emotional tactics, holding numerous “Yatra”s.

During this transition of BJP, the old timers (of Jan Sangh) who are
still continuing with today’ (changed) party have got stuck. Their old
school of openness is today considered as indiscipline and these views
are no more welcomed by the party (BJP already has whole media against
it. These leader’s statements get twisted in the media reports. The
party cannot further risk its patriotic image by accepting its own
leader’s words, praising the leader of an “enemy country”). I wonder
what actually descipline means, when an honest person like Jaswant
Singh can be expelled from party for having different views than party
but a corrupt chief minister is allowed to continue. But then, this is
the compromise which every party has done for power. What varies is
degree.
(Post 2000, globalisation and electronic media have generated a
conscious middle class who won’t go by emotions, instead ask for
issues. Old JanSangh with today’s middle class would have provided a
good alternative. Unfortunately BJP always misses to feel pulse of the
people).

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usman chaudhry Reply:
February 23rd, 2011 at 11:45 pm

Very well, indeed a response that came close to my query. Helped me in
understanding what mood is within the hierarchy of the party.

Thanks,

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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
February 24th, 2011 at 11:07 am

Dear Shri Vinay,

You have expressed some strong views here about the BJP.

Ram jethmalani has been co-opted as a Rajya Sabha MP as a conscious
decision for adding to its fire power and image in the upper house. It
is not that the BJP was not aware of ram Jethmalani’s unpredictability
and whimsical ways. Still, he is an asset to the party.

The congress party too made several public figures as their Rajya
Sabha MPs; Justice Ranganath Mishra, M.S.Gill etc. But the difference
is that these worthies have been reduced to the status of errand boys
and Mr.Gill particularly evokes only derisive pity.

As regards old timers, let me tell you that the congress party too has
suffered loss of leaders like Firoze Gandhi, Acharya Kripalani,
Rajaji, Minoo Masani, Jaya Prakash Narayan, Nijalingappa, Kamarajetc.
etc.

Lastly, Advani is an intellectual leader and a great organiser. Even
his bitterest criticsand enemies admire the way he rebuilt the
shattered party with just 2 seats in the ‘84 elections to the
posoition of largest single party in 1996 and then to become the
ruling party in 1998 and again in 1999.

As two other posts herebelow show, Advani has neither “praised” Jinnah
nor “apologised” to Sonia. You must give credit to the media for
trying to somehow malign him and if possible finish him off.

The one single reason which it can never live down is the terribly
hurtful truth in his description of the media: “when asked to merely
bend, it (the media) crawled.”

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Vinay Reply:
February 24th, 2011 at 5:50 pm

Shenoyji,

When I said Ram Jethmalani having opposite views still continuing with
the party, I actually meant the democracy alive in the party, unlike
Congress where everyone nods to high command. All the leaders of
Congress you have brought in are before Indira Gandhi’s era. After
that, who is the well respected tall leaders from Congress who are not
Gandhis Compare that to BJP. (Sorry, if my ealier post did not bring
out this sense properly. But I DID mention in my earlier post about
media twisting the leader’s statements, which leaves the party
worrying about its image).

You would agree Vajpayee and Advani had difference of opinions on
various issues. But their loyalty towards their party was unmatched.
Because of this culture, difference of opinion and healthy intelectual
debates never meant indiscipline in the party before. Today, a person
is ready to break the party and take a fraction of it just to become
CM; in contrast to Vajpayee’s speech during the vote of confidence
during his thirteen-day government(1996). I consider, defending
helplessness of today’s party is a disrepect to those ideals fought.

Vajpayee is the only person, who had no family tags and who was
“actually” chosen as PM by Indians. Rest are because of nomination
(Nehru also was not Congress’s first choice) or coalition politics.
Bowing to Obama’s demands or attacking girls in Pub, both are not part
of “Swadeshi Culture”, which Sangh cherished for long. BJP needs to
get its identity back and its top leaders should stop considering
themselves helpless, when they deal with corruption. Hope, I have made
myself clear this time.

(Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:
February 24th, 2011 at 7:23 pm

Hello Mr. Usman

Let me also chip in to share my thoughts with you on this subject.
While on a visit to Pakistan some years back, Mr. LK Advani had only
quoted the vision of Mr. Jinnah and had only recalled the his famous
address to the Pakistan’s first constituent Assembly on August 11,
1947. I quote below some lines from his address

“You are free to go to your temples, you are free to go to your
mosques or to any other place of worship in the State of Pakistan.You
may belong to any religion or caste or creed. That has nothing to do
with the business of the state”.

There is no doubt that this rare speech by the founder of Muslin
country was a watershed in the history. He gave practical shape to his
vision by appointing a Hindu as the first law minister of Pakistan to
indicate that Quaid did not want politics to be influenced by faith.
It is another matter that Mr. Mandal resigned in 1950 once the pledge
made by Jinnah was squandered by his successors.
Mr. Advani had only recalled this vision of Jinnah and in fact meant
how the dreams of the founder of Pakistan have been dashed when his
successors turned Pakistan into a theocratic state in contrast to the
secular vision of Mr. Jinnah.
Although Mr. Advani had not said anything which could be construed as
praise for Mr. Jinnah, the media in our country greatly distorted his
version to give an impression that he had in fact praised the founder
of Pakistan. The congress party exploited it hard to get political
value. The RSS was also taken in by the rhetoric of the media. It is
now well known the hard times through which Mr. Advani had to pass.
But ultimately, his party and RSS found the truth and Mr. Advani has
regained his top position in the party.
It is true that BJP always worked seriously for an Indo-Pak friendship
despite having been cheated by Pakistan in terms of Parliament attack,
Kargil war and Lahore declaration signed during Mr. Vajpayee’s vist to
Pakistan.. It is also a fact that Mr. Vajpayee had visited Minar-e-
Pakistan in Lahore but then the Jamait people had washed it with milk
as they thought the monument was sullied by the visit of a Kafir.
Well, I am not adding anything from my side. These facts are all well
documented and are part of the history.
Hope you got some answer to your query.
Regards
BNA

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27.
B.V.SHENOY says:
February 23, 2011 at 12:15 pm

Dear Shri Usman Chaudhry,

Please know that L.K.Advani didn’t describe Jinnah as a secular. On a
visit to his kabr, he wrote the following :

In his early years, Sarojini Naidu, a leading luminary of India’s
freedom struggle, described Mr. Jinnah as an “Ambassador of Hindu-
Muslim Unity”. His address to the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan on
August 11, 1947 is a classic, a forceful espousal of a Secular State
in which every citizen would be free to practise his own religion but
the State shall make no distinction between one citizen and another on
the grounds of faith.
“My respectful homage to this great man.”

Please find the word, secular in this tribute Advani paid to Jinnah.
It is a media created myth that Jinnah was called secular by Advani.

As for the congress party, it adopts different policies for different
religions. When it is anything to do with Hindus or Hinduism, it is
pseudo secular at its worst. When it is dealing with issues concerning
Muslims or Christians, it is secular-fundamentalist., supporting the
cause espoused by the particular group.

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vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 23rd, 2011 at 1:47 pm

@BV Shenoy
The long explanation you gave on Advani’s behalf was unnecessary. In
short he told his hosts that the Pakistan they have created wasn’t the
Pakistan of their quaid-e-azam’s dreams. The word secularism is an
abuse for many political and religio-political parties in Pakistan.
Only the PPP, the ANP and the MQM pride in their secular approach.

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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
February 23rd, 2011 at 2:16 pm

Vinodji,

I was only trying to clear a doubt our neighbour, Usman Bhai had
expressed about Advani describing Jinnah as a secular. Advani’s
comment was towards the state of Pakistan, which it had become as
against what Jinnah wanted it to be.

I feel secualrism and unsecularism both are cheap, exchangeable
commodities in Pkistani politics.
In India, we have, as George Fernandes had said, two kinds of
people:secualrs and normal. It is for each individual to decide what
he is.

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usman chaudhry Reply:
February 24th, 2011 at 12:01 am

Hello Mr Shenoy,

I believe this is our first encounter over any topic. So if i
understand you through the voice of LK Advani it is not the
personality but rather the state that he meant to be secular. Well no
harm in it but sure must have made disturbance within the party lines
and angst is understandable w.r.t end conclusion.

Usman

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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
February 24th, 2011 at 11:16 am

Usman Bhai,

It is not merely Advani’s wish. Nearly the whole of India wants
Pakistan to become at least a ghost of a secular state, give at least
breathing space to its minorities and leave them alone. Even if that
is not possible, India will wish Pakistan well even if it steps back
from the religious fundamentalist precipice, off which its death wish
is propelling it jump.

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28.
Vijay Kumar says:
February 23, 2011 at 1:03 pm

In this continuous gymnasitics of pandering to creating a HIndu-
Muslims wedge The Congress is about to announce religion based
reservations for Muslims. And today it has announced that Jamia Millia
will be given minority status and 50% of the seats will be now
reserved for Muslims.

What was the need when

—> 22.5 % seats were anyway reserved for Muslims as these were seats
for students of Jamia school where more than 90% students were Muslms.

THe need I might tell you is sending a message to Muslims that while
the BJP government is punishing people who burnt 59 people in the
GOdhra train, we are with you and are giving you extra rights based on
relgion.

What dirt of convulated mentality this COngress represents !! :(

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29.
B.V.SHENOY says:
February 23, 2011 at 2:29 pm

Usman,

you said, “It seems BJP had more open soft corner towards Pakistan
than other major ruling party….”

I would say, whatever the BJP does, it does up front. What the
congress party does, it always does things behind the back of the
Indian parliament. A few examples:

1. Jawaharlal Nehru committed India to take the Kashmir issue to the
UN almost secretly and even against the advice of the military, which
was on the verge of throwing your rag tag army out from Indian soil.

2. Indira Gandhi agreed to release 93000 soldiers of the defeated Pak
army without geting anything in return-behind the back of the Indian
parliament. In this she at least had some common sense NOT TO TAKE THE
ISSUE TO THE UN SECURITY COUNCIL, which would have gladly advised
India to undo the partition of Pakistan.

3.The latest instance is the clandestine agreement signed by our
novice FM at Sharm-el-Shaikh.

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30.
ram autar says:
February 23, 2011 at 6:53 pm

ADVANI CAME TO INDIA IN BOAC AFTER PLANTING BOMB IN KARACHI RALLY
WHERE ALL HIS FRIENDS WERE ARRESTED.DECIDED TO SERVE BRHMNSM.SINCE
LAST 6 DECADES HE IS DOING THIS WITHOUT ANY GAIN.NOW HE IN LIVING
DEAD.

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raj Reply:
February 25th, 2011 at 3:57 pm

@hey ram,,, AFTER PLANTING BOMB IN KARACHI

peddeling your hatred in this blog too.
its all zionist, raw, cia, jews propaganda

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31.
Rajiv says:
February 23, 2011 at 9:12 pm

———————————————————————————-
Census officer to visit Ajmal Kasav in jail..
———————————————————————————–

These are the questions that Muhammad Kasav will face

“Reason for migration to India? What is your job profile? What is the
nature of your job? These are few of the questions that Pakistani
terrorist Ajmal Kasab will have to answer when census enumerators
visit him in Arthur Road jail tomorrow.”

“All prisoners, Indians or foreigners, lodged in jails at both Arthur
Road and Byculla would be counted during the exercise. Kasab will also
be counted and he will have to answer a set of questions relating to
personal details, education, nature of work etc,” Dr SD Thosar,
Assistant Health Officer (Census) told PTI.

“The census exercise at the Arthur Road jail began yesterday. Kasab
will be counted tomorrow but by our own jail staff,” Arthur Road
prison superintendent Rajendra Dhamne told PTI.
————————————————————————————

Any guesses what will be Kasav’s response to questions relating to his
employment ?

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32.
Rajiv says:
February 23, 2011 at 9:39 pm

@Usman,

———————————————————————————————————————————-
Presidential address by Muhammad Ali Jinnah to the Muslim League
Lahore, 1940, which adopted the Pakistan Resolution.
———————————————————————————————————————————–

http://www.columbia.edu/itc/mealac/pritchett/00islamlinks/txt_jinnah_lahore_1940.html
[Click to see nuggets from this page]

Jinnah on Hindus and Muslims..

“………………………….
It is extremely difficult to appreciate why our Hindu friends fail to
understand the real nature of Islam and Hinduism. They are not
religions in the strict sense of the word, but are, in fact, different
and distinct social orders; and it is a dream that the Hindus and
Muslims can ever evolve a common nationality; and this misconception
of one Indian nation has gone far beyond the limits and is the cause
of more of our troubles and will lead India to destruction if we fail
to revise our notions in time. The Hindus and Muslims belong to two
different religious philosophies, social customs, and literature[s].
They neither intermarry nor interdine together, and indeed they belong
to two different civilisations which are based mainly on conflicting
ideas and conceptions. Their aspects [=perspectives?] on life, and of
life, are different. It is quite clear that Hindus and Mussalmans
derive their inspiration from different sources of history. They have
different epics, their heroes are different, and different episode[s].
Very often the hero of one is a foe of the other, and likewise their
victories and defeats overlap. To yoke together two such nations under
a single state, one as a numerical minority and the other as a
majority, must lead to growing discontent, and final. destruction of
any fabric that may be so built up for the government of such a state.
…”

Jinnah went on to say that seed of Pakistan was laid the day first
Hindu was converted to Islam.
Jinnah family itself converted to Islam from Hinduism, just 2
generation before Jinnah.

This is the same philosophy as of Al-Qaida and Taleban.

—————————————————-
Gandhiji on Hindus and Muslims
—————————————————–

My whole soul rebels against the idea that Hinduism and Islam
represent two antagonistic cultures and doctrines. To assent to such a
doctrine is for me a denial of God.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partition_of_India [Click to see nuggets
from this page]

Those quotes say almost everything about the different Philosophies of
India ( a pluralistic, composite tolerant culture ) Vs everything
that’s opposite of good ( Pakistan ).

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33.
Saarthak [Click to see nuggets from this page] says:
February 24, 2011 at 2:31 am

Original letter of LK Advani to Sonia Gandhi:

Dear Smt. Sonia ji,

On my return from Kolkatta last night I found your letter dated 15
February awaiting me.

I am happy that you have categorically denied the reports alluded to
in the Task Force’s report on Black Money. If these had been denied
earlier, I am sure the Task Force would have factored in, the denial
in its report. Even so, I deeply regret the distress caused to you.

With best regards,

Yours sincerely,

( L.K. ADVANI )

Our ’sickular’ Cpngress paid media twisted the language and tone of
Advani’s letter and blew it out of proportion. HT had a headline
“Advani says Sorry to Sonia Gandhi for gaffe” …utterly disgusting

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vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 24th, 2011 at 12:02 pm

@Saarthak
The issue raised in the blog is much wider. Regret means what? Does it
mean I am not sorry?

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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
February 24th, 2011 at 2:26 pm

Vinodji,

regret: Definition … 1. to feel sorrow or remorse for (an act, fault,
disappointment, etc.): He no sooner spoke than he regretted it.; 2. to
think of with a sense of loss: to regret one’s vanished youth.; —n.;
1. a sense of loss, disappointment, dissatisfaction, etc.

apology: : an admission of error or discourtesy accompanied by an
expression of regret, eg; a public
apology.
Avani’s regret is for the distress supposedly caused to Madam Soniaji

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vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 25th, 2011 at 5:40 pm

@BV Shenoy
Let us not nit-pick please. If you insist on persisting with your
view, I have nothing to say.

B.V.SHENOY Reply:
February 24th, 2011 at 2:29 pm

Vinodji,

Advani has NOT apologised for the supposed mistake of the task force
set up by him. And the task force too has NOT retracted its findings
about Sonia Gandhi’s foreign accounts.

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Saarthak [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 24th, 2011 at 4:07 pm

Vinod ji, the point is Advani expressed ‘regret’ for the ‘distress’
caused to Mrs Gandhi. He has not apologized or faulted the Task
Force’s finding unlike what HT, NDTV and some others would like us to
beleive.

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Ankit Reply:
February 25th, 2011 at 8:16 am

Advani engaged in basic decency that normal humans should do. For
example, despite having known that this journalist has sold his
professional ethics to a political party I would still fold my hand
and say namaste to Mr.Sharma if I run into him some day.

It is another manner that spokesmen of Vinod’s party regularly use
abusive language while referring to Advani or other people from the
opposition.

vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 25th, 2011 at 5:38 pm

@BV Shenoy and Saarthak
I met Advaniji in the corridors of Parliament yesterday. He himself
spoke approvingly about my blog on his letter to Sonia. For me the
matter ends there.
34.
Amit says:
February 24, 2011 at 6:48 am

Advani is a flip-flop politician who has made controversial comments
such as the one on Jinnah’s secularism, and now a controversial
apology to Sonia. We thank God he is not the prime minister – such
mistakes would have been costly. Until then, we do hope that cooler
heads shall prevail…

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35.
Amit says:
February 24, 2011 at 6:52 am

A country of dumb praisers and mute spectators weakens the strength of
a tiger nation. Such is the state of India today.

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36.
Vijay Kumar says:
February 24, 2011 at 11:12 am

~~~:D :D :D ~~ WILL CONGRESS BE THE NEXT KHISAYANI BILLI ? ~~ :D :D :D
~~~~

The “grave digger of Congress” Digvijay Singh has now attackked Baba
Ramdev with allegations of black money, to deflect attention from
their own black choli and daman :)

Swami Ramdev has hit back declaring the actual assets of Patanjali
Yogpeeth, which may be huge, given the popularity he enjoys and the
lakhs who flock to his camps each month. So his income means is known
to all, unlike that of the COngress leadres, sycophants and grave
diggers who will soon join the chorus of attackers. It is also
possible that the CBI and investigating agencies with a congress
motivated agenda will be let loose after Swami Ramdev.

But this is a battle in which the Congress is bound to lose at least
10% of its 26% vote share of the last Lok Sabha. Why?

If Congress grave digger Digvijay or any other so called COngress
leader announces a speech in Delhi, not more than 100 people will
gather in any corner– Laxmi Nagar, Ashok Vihar, Connought Place,
Vasant Vihar… any place. But in case Swami Ramdev were to come, you
would be assured of a crowd of at least 50,000…

The last time Brinda Karat, wife of the Indian Stalin, Prakash Karat,
took on Ramdev, by tossing false allegations, they were ditched by
their own comrades. Even NDTV lost quite a bit of popularity.

Now it is th turn of the COngress to become the Khisyani
Billi !! :) :) :)

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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
February 24th, 2011 at 11:25 am

Vijay Kumar,

In this battle of wits, Digvijay Singh has brought the focus of black
money back on Sonia Gandhi.See the following equation:

Sonia Gandhi with sevaral billion $ in hoards (all in black) has no
car, no house= Baba Ramdev, with all white money in 1000’s of crores
in various trusts has no wealth of his own.

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Vijay Kumar Reply:
February 24th, 2011 at 12:35 pm

@ Shenoy.

Iss algebra ka jawaab nahi !

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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
February 24th, 2011 at 2:00 pm

Vinodji will probably call it abra-ka-dabra

vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 24th, 2011 at 7:46 pm

@BV Shenoy
Ur a quite good at hocus-pocus …..
37.
Praveen Saxena says:
February 24, 2011 at 3:20 pm

The Delhi Lokayukta today recommended removal of city PWD Minister Raj
Kumar Chauhan from the council of ministers for trying to protect a
leading resort in a tax evasion case.
Being the PWD Minister ,this guy was also incharge of the
Infrastructure projects relating to CWG.
So the true credentials of the Grand Old Party are now coming out like
a can of worms.
Just wait for the next big event , the Wikileaks on Swiss Acoount
Holders.

The Lokayukta ought to be investigated

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38.
tajender says:
February 25, 2011 at 3:25 pm

newspapers are reporting that Raymond Davis, the CIA contractor in
jail in Lahore facing murder charges for the execution-slayings of two
young men believed to by Pakistani intelligence operatives, was
actually involved in organizing terrorist activities in Pakistan.

As the Express Tribune, an English-language daily that is linked to
the International Herald Tribune, reported on Feb. 22:

“The Lahore killings were a blessing in disguise for our security
agencies who suspected that Davis was masterminding terrorist
activities in Lahore and other parts of Punjab,” a senior official in
the Punjab Police claimed.

“His close ties with the TTP [the Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan] were
revealed during the investigations,” he added. “Davis was instrumental
in recruiting young people from Punjab for the Taliban to fuel the
bloody insurgency.” Call records of the cellphones recovered from
Davis have established his links with 33 Pakistanis, including 27
militants from the TTP and Lashkar-e-Jhangvi sectarian outfit, sources
said.

The article goes on to explain a motive for why the US, which on the
one hand has been openly pressing Pakistan to move militarily against
Taliban forces in the border regions abutting Afghanistan, would have
a contract agent actively encouraging terrorist acts within Pakistan,
saying:

Davis was also said to be working on a plan to give credence to the
American notion that Pakistan’s nuclear weapons are not safe. For this
purpose, he was setting up a group of the Taliban which would do his
bidding.

According to a report in the Economic Times of India, a review by
police investigators of calls placed by Davis on some of the cell
phones found on his person and in his rented Honda Civic after the
shooting showed calls to 33 Pakistanis, including 27 militants from
the banned Pakistani Taliban, and Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, an group
identified as terrorist organization by both the US and Pakistan,
which has been blamed for the assassination of Prime Minister Benazir
Bhutto, and to the brutal slaying of Wall Street Journal reporter
Daniel Pearl.

Meanwhile, while the US continues to claim that Davis was “defending
himself” against two armed robbers, the Associated Press is reporting
that its sources in Pakistan’s intelligence agency, the Inter-Service
Intelligence (ISI), are telling them that Davis “knew both men he
killed.”

The AP report, which was run in Thursday’s Washington Post, claims the
ISI says it “had no idea who Davis was or what he was doing when he
was arrested,” that he had contacts in Pakistan’s tribal regions, and
that his visa applications contained “bogus references and phone
numbers.”

The article quotes a “senior Pakistani intelligence official” as
saying the ISI “fears there are hundreds of CIA contractors presently
operating in Pakistan without the knowledge of the Pakistan government
or the intelligence agency.”

In an indication that Pakistan is hardening its stance against caving
to US pressure to spring Davis from jail, the Express Tribune quotes
sources in the Pakistani Foreign Office as saying that the US has been
pressing them to forge backdated documents that would allow the US to
claim that Davis worked for the US Embassy. President Obama, Secretary
of State Hillary Clinton and other top US officials have been trying
to claim Davis was an Embassy employee, and not, as they originally
stated, and as he himself told arresting police officers, just a
contractor working out of the Lahore Consulate. The difference is
critical, since most Embassy employees get blanket immunity for their
activities, while consular employees, under the Vienna Conventions,
only are given immunity for things done during and in the course of
their official duties.

The US had submitted a list of its Embassy workers to the Foreign
Office on Jan. 20, a week before the shooting. That list had 48 names
on it, and Davis was not one of them. A day after the shooting, the
Embassy submitted a “revised” list, claiming rather improbably that it
had “overlooked” Davis. At the time of his arrest, Davis was carrying
a regular passport, not a diplomatic one, though the Consulate in
Lahore rushed over the following day and tried to get police to let
them swap his well-worn regular passport for a shiny new diplomatic
one (they were rebuffed). Davis was also carrying a Department of
Defense contractor ID when he was arrested, further complicating the
picture of who his real employer might be.

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Rajiv Reply:
February 25th, 2011 at 7:05 pm

Lies,more lies and criminal lies from the most criminal entity on
earth : Pak establsihment. I am so glad that US is getting a true
picture of Pakistan in Davis affair. Pakistani state beggers, beg to
US for aid and with that same money, finance lieful, monstorous
propoganda against USA and India.
Anyone engaging this most criminal entity call Pakistan will get
defrauded. Period.

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39.
Vijay Kumar says:
February 25, 2011 at 3:53 pm

@ Vinodji,

Sir, today’s HT has a report about Arun Shourie meeting the CBI. Now
the whole report is slanted in such a manner as if to implicate the
BJP for being equally culpable in the 2G loot. The truth being an
opposite that 2 G is solely a UPA loot and Shourie has himslef
volunteered to help the CBI so that Raja and UPA don’t lie to the
nation.

Similarly yesterday Pankaj Vohra cast aspersions on the Godhra
verdict, saying that the UC Banerji report suggested that it was a
suicide or an accident. WOW!! If it was so why did/nt the poor
innocent victims , not run out into other compartments?

It seems that the standards of HT’s journalism are falling deeper and
deeper. I hope you guys won’t try to peddle the next bunch of lies
that Kasab and Afzal Guru are innocent, and it was a CIA/mossad/ Shiv
Sena plot

Sad is’nt it? :( :(

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vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 25th, 2011 at 5:35 pm

@Vijay Kumar
I don’t know about Godhra. But read Mail Today and you would know that
the Modi appointed Nanawati Commission indicted Umarji— the man
acquitted by the Court. As for Shourie, you have already pronounced
your verdict. So there is no purpose arguing.

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Praveen Saxena Reply:
February 25th, 2011 at 5:57 pm

The Commissions of Inquiry are fact finding bodies and are not bound
by the rigours of the Rules of Evidence law and Criminal Procedure
Code which courts are. Commissions of Inquiry are not Trial Courts and
do not impose punishment. Criminal Courts judge the charges according
to the provisions of laws and if charges are found to to be true ,
when the evidence meets the prescribed tests , impose punishment.
It is puerile to say that the Nanavati Commission found Umarji guilty
but the Court did not and to draw inferences from such differences to
deride either.

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vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 25th, 2011 at 6:08 pm

@Praveen Saxena
You are being as judgemental as Nanawati. My point was that Nanawati
has proved to be as unreliable — if you like — as U C Banerjee. But
both were senior retired judges and should not be rubbished on the
basis of the verdict of a sessions court. The matter will go upto SC
and let us wait for its take on the case.

Praveen Saxena Reply:
February 26th, 2011 at 1:06 pm

@Vinod Sharma

“You are being as judgemental as Nanawati ”
? ? ? What judgement have I made.

” My point was that Nanawati has proved to be as unreliable — if you
like — as U C Banerjee. But both were senior retired judges and should
not be rubbished on the basis of the verdict of a sessions court. ”

Both have proved to be Unreliable but still should not be
rubbished. ? ? ?

vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 26th, 2011 at 5:06 pm

@Praveen Saxena
You really don’t allow nuances to grow on you dear. I made a qualified
comment on their unreliability — by saying ‘if you like.’

Praveen Saxena Reply:
February 28th, 2011 at 10:09 am

@Vinod Sharma

You may be right Sir . Unlike Rajesh Khanna in “DAAG ” , Lafjon pe mat
jana , matlab to samajh rahe ho na ; by training , I am inclined to
let the written and spoken word be strictly construed.
40.
B.V.SHENOY says:
February 25, 2011 at 6:34 pm

Vinodji,

you said,

@BV Shenoy and Saarthak
“I met Advaniji in the corridors of Parliament yesterday. He himself
spoke approvingly about my blog on his letter to Sonia. For me the
matter ends there.”

In my very firast response to this blog, I had commended you for
writing one of your better articles. I had also approvingly said that
Advani did the right thing in writing to Sonia Gandhi expressing
“regrets” for the distress caused to her by the report.

What I and many others on this blog have objected to is the media’s
spin to the whole issue. One paper said Advani “apologised to Sonia
Gandhi after she wrote a “terse” letter to him.Your own paper said
that Adbvani “apologised” toMadam for his “gaffe”.

I, however, couldn’t get confirmation to a rumour that Sonia Gandhi
summoned the head of the deptt of English of JNU asking him to explain
which of the dozen odd meanings of “terse” given in Oxford English
Distionery would apply to her letter:

terse: concise, succinct, compact, brief, short, to the point, crisp,
pithy, elliptical, epigrammatic, abrupt, curt, brusque, laconic,
short, clipped, blunt.

Also, he was asked to explain the meaning of “gaffe”, to which he had
instantly replied “Madam, what you did to Vajapayee when you said,
Vajapayeeji ki dimagee halat theek nahin hai” was the exact meaning of
gaffe.

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vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 25th, 2011 at 7:44 pm

@BV Shenoy
Not funny Sir. Please revert to facts and leave fiction for some other
time if you want to continue with this chat. Many Thanks

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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
February 26th, 2011 at 10:38 am

Vinodji,

If you didn’t like the joke or you found it in poor taste, I am sorry/
I regret/I apologise or whatever the appropriate term is.

But, It is not fiction that Sonia Gandhi called Vajapayee a man with a
loose upper storey. I saw her say that on TV. I had quoted this
incident in the context of this blog’s cover story : cordiality,
conviviality, courtesy and bonhomie among the leaders of the congress
and BJP parties.

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vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 26th, 2011 at 5:17 pm

@BV Shenoy
Yes,Sonia did make that mistake but apologised in no time. To err is
human Dear Shenoy. And to make amends is like being a true child of
God. Any more arguments?
41.
Rajiv says:
February 26, 2011 at 1:02 am

—————————————————————————————
Before India ever engages Pakistan..
—————————————————————————————

Before India engages itself with Pakistan, India must ask itself, what
has been the result of previots engagements and accords with
Pakistan ?.

1. Did Nehru-Liaqat accord stop the annhilation of Hindu, Sikh
minorities in Pakistan ? Is anything left of the 18-25% Hindus and
Sikhs that made of West Pakistan population ?

2. Did the Shimla accord between Indira and Bhutto, where in India
returned 12,000 sq miles of Pak territory and 93,000 Pak prisoners,
achive anything for India ? Did our large heartedness reduce Pak
enimity or just re-inforce it ? Did Pakistan keep its part of the
bargain to not interfere in Indian Kashmir affairs or did it just do
the opposite ?

3. What about the Vajpayee-Sharif Lahore declaration ?
Did Pakistan wait for the ink to dry on the pact , before it sneaked
its forces into Kargil ? To this day it lies abaout it ans as usual is
shameless and brazen about its duplicity. Thats its character as a
nation.
4. What about numerous declarations where Pakistan has committed to
not allow terrorists and militants to operate against India from its
soil ? Do not LeT/Jamat-ul-Dawa and its leaders organize terrorist
acts against India freely from Pakistan, with protection and help from
Pak state itself ?

Any engagement with Pakistan will only lead to India getting
defrauded. India has held up its part of the bargain in spectacular
fashion. The biggest of them all, The Indus water treaty, has survived
wars initiated by Pakistan and numerous terrorist attacks from
Pakistan because of India’s unprecedented commitment. Far from
apreciating India’s honesty, it has not stopped Pakistan from carrying
out the most venal, anti-India propoganda on the water issue.
Almost everytime Pakistan goes to independednt Indus water commission
with charges against India, the commission rules in India’s favour
with cosmetic changes.

The lesson is, we need to be rational and honest to ourselves.
Engagement with a corrupt, criminal entity will serve no purpose and
only emboldens the degenerate.

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42.
Vijay Kumar says:
February 26, 2011 at 4:56 pm

@ Vinod Sharma

Coming back to the GOdhra verdict, if one starts doubting the findings
of a SUpreme court monitored SIT, then one should start doubting
everything. How do we know that is is day right now? How do we know
Osma Bin actually exists or is it a CIA plot? How do we know whether
26/11 was Pakistani terror attack or a Mossad/RSS/CIA/Shiv Sena plot
as Burney and Antulay pointed out.

Everything can be called fake. Maybe the sun rotates around the earth
and not vice versa :)

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vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 26th, 2011 at 5:01 pm

@Vijay Kumar
You often argue to win a point— not to make a point. That isn’t a very
mature way of looking at things.

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vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 26th, 2011 at 5:03 pm

@Vijay Kumar
If a SC monitored probe is good enough— which it is till the Court
itself pronounces a verdict–then why did you oppose my opposition to
the JPC on 2G scam being probed under the SC’s watchful eyes.

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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
February 26th, 2011 at 6:26 pm

Vinodji, a good point, but, sadly NOT GOOD ENOUGH.

vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 26th, 2011 at 8:45 pm

@BV Shenoy
It is difficult to please you my friend. I give up ….u win.

Vijay Kumar Reply:
March 1st, 2011 at 12:05 pm

@ Vinod Sharma,

Am not arguing for the sake for the sake of arguement. Just truly feel
that it is important to execute justice rather than find new arguments
to defend criminals, who end up using politicians to espouse their
cause. In this case the guys who burnt the train being the crimninals.

I was for the JPC in 2G because only a JPC can summon all MP’s and the
PM..

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43.
B.V.SHENOY says:
February 27, 2011 at 12:26 pm

Vinodji,

“Nothing in life is so exhilarating as to be shot at without result.”

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Pankaj#1 Reply:
February 27th, 2011 at 7:02 pm

Shenoy Sahab;
Sambhal ke, Sholay main un teeno ne samjha, ki, shot at and not hurt,
but in next instant, Gabbar killed all three of them. Be aware and be
safe.

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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
February 28th, 2011 at 10:39 am

Dear Shri Pankaj,

Luckily, Vinodji has, in his armoury nothing more lethal than a few
printable gaalis, which too he reserves for a few chosen derelicts.

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44.
Vijay Kumar says:
March 1, 2011 at 12:20 pm

~~~~ :D :D :) :) SWAMI RAMDEV’S CLARION CALL TO THE
CONGRESS :) :) :D :D ~~~~

:) ____ :) JO HUMSE TAKRYEGA… CHOOR CHOOR HO JAYEGA :) ______ :)

Diggy the grave digger of the COngress threw malicious allegations
against Swami Ramdev and Ramdev has taken up the challenge of taking
on corruption.

The Congress is making a huge huge HUGE !! mistake of underestimating
Swami Ramdev’s popularity. In various previous avatars the Congress
would have invoked, CIA, MOssad, and what not to label Ramdev’s
charges of corruption against the COngress as reactionary and right
wing. In fact once it even labelled Menaka’s marriage to Sanjay as a
CIA plot. :)

:) Ha HA HA !! That is the level of intellect of this wasted
party !! :)

But now the way things are going, the Congress will end up committing
suicide under Digvijay’s spell by not tackling corruption, but
conitinously invoking the BJP !!

Hey guys… I have a felling that Digvijay and one Mani Shankar Aiyar
might be BJP agents or CIA double agents, the way they have pushed
Congress onto this path …

Mani AIyar by first failing as a Sports Minister and then causing
panic as the deadlines drew nearer and finally shouting out scam scam
scam!!

And Digvijay by alienating India by propping up elelments who thought
26/11 is an internl Hindu conspiracy …

What jokers !!

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45.
Praveen Saxena says:
March 1, 2011 at 4:35 pm

Death sentence to the murderers of Godhra. Death blow to the fake
secularists.

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ram autar Reply:
March 1st, 2011 at 10:29 pm

Death sentence to the murderers of Godhra.

this mockery of indian judiciary.kondani is free after burn ing 69
innocents.in high court judgement will be reversed gujrat court is
modi court.main conspirator proved innocent.in higher court right hand
man of advani will caught.

26/11 was game of rss/cia/isi/an sacred brhmns in IB. who killed the
terrorists.must be explained to indian.

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46.
Praveen Saxena says:
March 1, 2011 at 4:50 pm

It appears that the lady with the continuous frown has found a place
in the JPC. The opposition has to find someone who can match frown for
frown .
Saw Shalini Singh the ET Corresponent ( on the Telecom beat ) on Lok
Sabha TV yesterday. She also had played a stellar role in exposing the
Scam. She talked extensively on the ” Watchdog Journalists ” versus
the ” Lapdog journalists.” Also what the ” Best Lawyer politician ” of
the country is upto in the Telecom Ministry. Assigning him to that job
was a move to tactfully handle all issues and control damage.

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vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
March 2nd, 2011 at 2:32 pm

@praveen saxena
Find one for them of your choice.

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Praveen Saxena Reply:
March 3rd, 2011 at 2:31 pm

Vinod Saab

Maybe not one with a frown but one with a scowl. How about Mayawati ?
If she was to be fielded gainst the lady with the frown.

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47.
ram autar says:
March 1, 2011 at 10:31 pm

good article

Lenin used communism to launch world dictatorship of Jews

Finally, the Russian Christian leadership headed by Putin, described
as the “scourge of the Jews”, has realised the dangers of the Jewish
hoax called communism and decided to bury its founding-father Lenin,
after taking out his embalmed body lying in the Moscow Museum. Lenin
who died on Jan.21, 1924 led the Communist Revolution of 1917.

HITLER’S HOLOCAUST
This writer also fell victim to marxism and was under its grip for
about 20 long years until Dr. Ambedkar gave the answer to cure India’s
Brahminical cancer.

In our earlier books, How Marx failed in Hindu India (DSA-1984) and
Dilemma of Class & Caste, we had denounced India’s “sacred thread”
marxists whom we found more dangerous than the Hindu terrorist party
of the Godses. West Bengal and Kerala are the two classic examples to
prove how marxism is milking our people dry — keeping the Brahminical
rulers in power.

BRAHMIN CONTROL OF MARXISM
Lenin, a Jew, founded the Communist Party, to fight the then Christian
rulers of Russia and impose a Jewish dictatorship.

He and his Jewish successors killed more Christians in Russia than
Hitler killing Jews in Germany. The Jews then engineered two world
wars to destroy the Christian leadership of the West and create a
zionist state of Israel.

Marxism promoted Jews in the West and Brahmins in India.

The world took a century to know the truth that communism is a Jewish
conspiracy.

We are writing a book itself on this subject to be published from
London.

MAO REJECTED JEWS
Lenin selected a Brahmin, M.N. Roy, to start the Communist Party in
India and ever since then Brahmins have been controlling the marxist-
maoist parties in India. The current Binayak Sen million-dollar drama
is part of this conspiracy.

Only China broke away from Jewish stranglehold because its founder,
Mao, knew the truth and led the country on the right track to become
the world’s No.1 power.

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48.
Vijay Kumar says:
March 2, 2011 at 1:09 pm

@ Praveen,

Hey who is this lady with a permanent frown???? Is it an avatar of
Natraj…?

And this best lawyer politician … not Kapil… Dev for sure :) Not the
lottery supporting Abhishek… (now what is wrong with a lottery lawyer,
as long as the lotterywala is a congressi.. :) But then Jaitley can be
called a corporate lawyer, why not Singhvi the lottery lawyer?

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vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
March 2nd, 2011 at 2:37 pm

@Vijay Kumar
Why are you worried? The BJP has on the JPC the laywer who won the
case for Ram Lalla Virajmaan. As for lottery lawyer, see who’s
defending the corporate scamsters in the 2G scam. There is jethmalani,
mukul rohatgi and the entire jingbang you so dearly love.

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Vijay Kumar Reply:
March 3rd, 2011 at 12:32 pm

@ Vinod ji,

Sir, you know as well as me. That two Congressis– one a lottery wala
and another the son of an COngress MP who got SALVA -TION, represented
each of the two fueding Amabni brothers and got 15 cr each as fees.
Both these lawyers remain friends and can defend opposing sides as
long as the jingle of coins and the Number of Gandhi pictures they get
on RBI paper is good enough !!! :D

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Praveen Saxena Reply:
March 3rd, 2011 at 2:35 pm

@Vinod Sharma

And if that be the ground of objection what do you say about the best
lawyer politician defending tainted SC Judge Ramaswami during his
impeachment proceedings. No surprise though , after all the Congress
did a great favour to Ramaswami by abstaining.

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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
March 2nd, 2011 at 2:39 pm

Vijay Kumar,

The congress party has several lawyers,
tu in itscked inside its numerous layers,
as it has many flayers,
and some slayers,
apart from a few players.

But all of them are men of clay,
who, with people’s sentiments play,
on scams their mantra is delay, delay,
and who love to sing ‘o’lay, o’lay.

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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
March 2nd, 2011 at 5:03 pm

Lady with a permanent frown
also has colour dark brown.
On TV she is full of brawn
wishing that her opponents would drown
in the dark vitriol distilled in her home town.

For tongue-lashing she is well known
always ready with lies home grown
in defence of the scam-tainted crown
and on Modi she goes to town
with three words: down, down, down.

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Praveen Saxena Reply:
March 3rd, 2011 at 11:40 am

Vijay , Shenoy saab has said it all. The story of the lady with the
frown and the best lawyer politician who smiles too much….
But now who shall take responsibility for the malafide appointment of
CVC.
Is it going to be the PM or the HM.
Who should be held responsible for misguiding the ACC.
Who tried to sabotage and compromise one of the one of the most
important public offices of the country.
Will this Sardarji still hold on to his chair with both hands.

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Vijay Kumar Reply:
March 3rd, 2011 at 12:02 pm

@ Shenoy and Praveen,

The Congress MLA from mining belt in Haryana has organised a wedding
party and spent 100 crores… I hope the party takes note as it had
sniggered at the wedding organised by Gadkari. Maybe the “chumchum and
the gulabjamun” this MLA gives to the party will make it too merry to
reprove… :D

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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
March 3rd, 2011 at 12:49 pm

Praveen Saxena/Vijay Kumar,

I have been saying this from the beginning and I have no hesitation in
repeating it, even at the cost of being called a Hindu fundamentalist
(which I am most decidedly not): This CVC has been appointed solely at
the insistence of Sonia Gandhi and solely on the consideration of his
being a Christian. If it were not so, he would long ago have been
shown the door/kicked out on the charge of concealing vital
information.

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Praveen Saxena Reply:
March 3rd, 2011 at 1:22 pm

Shenoy Saab

I never disagreed with you.But sadly the way electoral politics
works , the political adavantages of batting for Thomas , in Kerala ,
may still work in favour of the Congress. Who is the loser ? Not Sonia
Gandhi. To some extent , the Congress , but the biggest loser has been
Sardarji. It is the sardarji’s love for that chair which is going to
do him in.
49.
Rajiv says:
March 3, 2011 at 4:03 am

Its interesting to see some of the changes this blog has undergone.

One positive thing is that I do not have to suffer meaningless,
foolish statements about promoting India-Pak friendship from Mr
Sharma, as if that was something that has not being tried by India for
last 60 years , with extremely damaging results for India.

Complete dis-engagement from Pak is the only rational option under the
current character of the Pak state. If the vile and treacherous nature
of the Pak state changes then India’s policy can be changed too.

Meanwhile I would advise every country, particularly USA and India
about dealing with Pakistan.
If you treat Pak state as a civil entity, it will defraud and bite
you, if you treat it like a stray dog, it will serve and bark for you.

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Pankaj#1 Reply:
March 3rd, 2011 at 8:48 am

Yes, I have also seen change here. It seems, GOI and HT. has washed
its hands off Raja. Vinod is no longer defending Raja and obfuscating
issues.

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50.
Vijay Kumar says:
March 3, 2011 at 12:26 pm

~ ~~~~~~ LET US ALL SHED A TEAR FOR HUMANITY ~~~~~ ~

As Pakistan sinks further into a morass of lies, deceit and murder,
let us shed a tear in the memory of Shahbaz Bhatti, its Minister of
Minorities who was assasinated by the Imran Khan backed Taliban and
the ISI.

All for opposing blasphemy and apostasy laws. No one of any repute or
power in Pakisan will vocifeously condemn this. And neither will be
the so called friends of Pakistan, in India. Instead and indeirect
blame will be thrown on all– that unless you angage Pakistan and give
it more aid, this will happen.

Let the world and especially Indians, remember. That we ae living next
to a culture and an entity, which is like a mad rotweiler. Treat and
observe it with care.

This is what Nadeem Paracha, one of the few gutsy and intelligent
Pakistanis had to say

“… For years a convoluted narrative has been circulated by the state,
the clergy, schools and now the electronic media: i.e. Pakistan was
created in the name of Islam (read, a theocratic state). Thus, only
Muslims (mainly orthodox Sunnis) have the right to rule, run and
benefit from this country. ‘Minority’ religions and ‘heretical Islamic
sects’, who are citizens of Pakistan are not to be trusted. They need
to be isolated constitutionally, socially and culturally….”

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#
ishwar says:
March 3, 2011 at 4:14 pm

Sharma Ji,

Khush to bahut hoge aaj aap.

Sonia Gandhi ko 2 thappar pade hain – CVC case mein aur black money
case mein.

Main bhi bahut khush hu. Isliye socha apko bhi badhayee de dun.

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#
Rajeev [Click to see nuggets from this page] says:
March 3, 2011 at 8:07 pm

Vijay,
This should surely cheer you up..
http://www.mid-day.com/news/2011/mar/030311-news-delhi-Arundhati-Roy-artist-paints-nude-painting-with-Osama.htm
[Click to see nuggets from this page]

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Rajiv Reply:
March 4th, 2011 at 12:43 am

Well the painter is certainly informed and has got his facts right.

“Osama, A Roy and Mao is a 3-some enactment.”

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vijay Kumar Reply:
March 5th, 2011 at 10:46 am

@ Rajiv and Rajeev,

Some would say that the painter is taking is misusing his artistic
licence… but then Arundahti also misuses her writer’s ‘licence” for
insulting India by justifying the killings by LeT and Maoists…

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#
ishwar says:
March 3, 2011 at 11:10 pm

Mr. Sharma,

Headline from the HT today:
CVC Thomas’ appointment an ‘error’ but PM, PC won’t resign: Congress

Defend this arguement and I’d vote for Congress all my life.

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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
March 4th, 2011 at 10:47 am

Ishwar,

Here are a few headlines from other papers:

Nowhere to Hide, congress says an error………………………Indian Express.
SC evicts Thomas as CVC, Shames Govt………………………Times Of India
Supreme Court strikes down Thomas appointment as CVC
In a major blow to the Centre…………………………………………..The Hindu.

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Praveen Saxena Reply:
March 4th, 2011 at 12:18 pm

Shenoy Saab

There is another Headline today.
” CVC P J Thomas to challenge SC Order”
Wonder which court ? Oops sorry , yes there is a higher court for
him ; the court of highest jurisdiction ; the court of Sonia Gandhi.
The court clerk is Manmohan Singh who has to call out the cases and
then sit quitely to record the Order.

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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
March 4th, 2011 at 2:44 pm

Praveen Saxenaji,

From coalition dharma, under which he was supposed to maintain Maun,
our Maun Mahan Singh seems to have switched over to coalition drama.
It has now come out, rather too late in the day, that all the three
candidates in the panel for the CVC selection were candidates put up
by the DMK.

What a colossal fraud!!
What a humbug, what a sham selection!!
There is a scam even in the preparation of the CVC panel!!!

Instead of being above suspicion, Caesar’s wife has gone under the
carpet and his concubine is ruling the roost.

(Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:
March 4th, 2011 at 6:50 pm

@ Mr. Shenoy
@ Mr.Praveen Saxena

All said and done, can you gentlemen enlighten me about the
compulsions of Dr. Manmohan Singh to appoint Mr. Thomas as CVC? He and
the HM could not wait even for 24 hours to confirm the objections
raised by one of the panelists in the selection committee. I am sure
the PM and HM were not so naive enough to be not knowing the
background of Mr. Thomas as every one else knew it. Was it a pressure
of corporate or Madam Sonia Gandhi to get along with this appointment
as fast as possible?
Now at the moment even the PM and the HM must be cursing only
themselves for that wretched moment they went ahead with Mr. Thomas.
Now Mr. Thomas instead of helping his benefactors has only worked hard
to embarrass the persons who had gone out of way to appoint him. He is
now only asking for more trouble as he is contemplating filing a
review petition in the apex court. So more embarrassment and trouble
for the PM and HM if he indeed goes ahead with his plans. One hardly
needs any enemies if you have friends like Mr. Thomas.
BNA

Praveen Saxena Reply:
March 5th, 2011 at 12:09 pm

Anand Saab

I think it would have been better if we put your query to the
advocates of Manmohan Singh, purporting to be the PM of India. But
nevetheless we may make an attempt. Shenoy Saab has given sufficient
indication of that in his post. As for me , I saw a political motive
also , and that was the Christian Votes in Kerala .
To me, Manmohan Singh today , comes across as a shameless person who
has sold his soul to Sonia Gandhi only to adorn that chair. Gone are
the days when I could say ” No No personally he is a good man , but it
is Sonia Gnadhi and the Congress Party which is making him do all
wrong things. “

V.K.CHAWLA Reply:
March 7th, 2011 at 12:19 am

HE HAS THE RIGHT TO CHALLENGE THE SC ORDER OF HIS SELECTION AS CVC BY
PETITONING TO SC FOR REVIEW HIS CASE WITH A LARGE BENCH OF SC JUDGES .
ACTUALLY HE GOT CAUGHT BETWEEN FOOLISHNESS OF KARUNAKARAN’s POLITICAL
JINGOINISM WHICH HE DOES BY SOMERSAULTING BEFORE SC BY GETTING STAY OF
CHARGESHEET & THEN ALL SAT THROUGH , INSTEAD OF MAKING SOME AMENDS .
THE CHARGESHEET REMAINED ALIVE WITH SC STAYING THE PROCEEDINGS IN
LOWER COURT . END RESULT OF ALL THIS NONSENSE DRAMA WAS ULTIMATELY
ENDED IN SC WITH THEIR RULING OUT THE UNFAIR SELECTION OF CVC BY MANNU
BHAI & CHIDU BHAI UNDER THE COMMAND OF SOMEBODY MORE FOOLISH . WHO IS
THIS FOOLISH PERSON , IS TO BE FOUND BY ONE & ALL IN THIS COUNTRY or
WAIT FOR THE STATEMENT OF MANNU BHAI IN PARLIAMENT . WILL HE TAKES THE
NAME OF THAT PERSON WHO HAS SUGGESTED THE NAME OF THOMAS AS CVC OR HE
WILL GIVE HIS STATEMENT IN A DITHERING VOICE , MAKING A FOOL OF
HIMSELF ONCE AGAIN .WAIT & WATCH , FOR ANOTHER 12 Hrs.
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Rajiv says:
March 4, 2011 at 7:06 am

—————————————————————–
US Senator Bob Corker, gets it..
—————————————————————–
Regarding Pakistan duplicitous and treacherous behaviour, it looks
like influential Republican Senator, Bob Corker, gets it. Read his
statement carefully.

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=201134 [Click to see
nuggets from this page] \story_4-3-2011_pg7_38

Corker, who recently travelled to the area, said at a hearing of the
committee that “in order to maintain appropriate relations, I will not
publicly articulate my feelings after meeting with the leaders” in
Pakistan. But he added Pakistan was “the most disheartening place in
the world to be, when you are talking about the type of relationship
that we have.” Corker said the relationship was basically
‘transactional’, but “our side of the transaction is the only side
that to me is being fulfilled. I think that in many ways we get played
like a piece of music.” He would be “very slow to talk about
additional funding (for Pakistan) until we see a different behaviour
pattern.” “It is hugely disheartening to see what we are doing in
Afghanistan taking place knowing that the centre of it all is really
in Pakistan,” Corker said. “And there’s no real effort to deal with it
on their part.”

The question is will US policy change ?

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Pankaj#1 says:
March 4, 2011 at 7:23 am

Really, I would like to engage with people like Vinod, Digvijay,
Manishanksr et al. where you are hiding?
Trying to build guilt complex with shishu mandir like comments? Think
you know it all ? rest are primitives? No Sir, it is obvious that you
were feathering, just, your nest and reality is far from what you are
trying to project.
In Modi’s Gujrat, Muslim maphia eliminated and now ordinary muslims
are praising Modi. what your congress nurtured, was height of
communalism, for vote bank. Shame on people of your ilk. Crying wolf,
wolf of communalism, Digvijay and comapny are real communalists. for
sure.

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#
jon chang says:
March 4, 2011 at 8:55 am

This government has made a long list of questionable appointments. The
corrupt Navin Chawla was made EC despite all opposition; look at who
they made president after the immensely popular Kalam; they made the
guy who presided over 2G scam the CVC; they made a questionable
character the head of NHRC.
Who knows how they gave away seats on minority commission…

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B.V.SHENOY says:
March 4, 2011 at 7:25 pm

Dr. Anand,

Perhaps, the Manmohan Singh of pre-UPA days would have politely said
no to Sonia Gandhi’s pressure tactics. But, after becoming the PM, he
has lost the most precious acquisition of any administrator-
professional integrity and conscience. Which is why he nowadays
succumbs to pressure and blackmail regularly and creates messy
situations, like the CVC issue.

I have no doubt in my mind that it is the church which is behind the
Thomas fiasco, because of which India has lost face the world over.

The crux of the matter is that despite pretending to be an Indian for
more than four decades, Sonia Gandhi has not been able to grasp the
essence of India’s culture and has failed to see the beauty of India’a
soul. This is her undoing and will, before long, totally discredit
her.

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Pankaj#1 says:
March 5, 2011 at 1:40 am

Recently read that Raja may be charged with conspiring with firms,
with possible relationship to companies inimical to India. This has
been pointed out by many bloggers before, but sharmaji, kept on
defending Raja and company by diluting his transgressions and
highlighting yeddyruppa. was it deliberate? or erroe of judgement? do
not know. No statement from Diggi Raja since long? where he has gone?
hiding in shame, but that is not his nature.

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#
vijay Kumar says:
March 5, 2011 at 10:57 am

@ Vinod SHarma

Yesterday the moronic Mani Shankar Aiyar was on CNN IBN gloating that
Mr Q was free… Free FREE as a bird !! :) :)

Last time Mr Aiyar did this, the Congress lost 1989. And Now Digivijay
and Aiyar– the spin twins– are going to toss Congress to the dustbin
of history!! :D :D :D

I think the opposition should profusely thank these two jokers, when
they win !! :) :) :)

PS : Can anybody actually clarify that these two spin twin doctors are
actually BJP double agents who are covertly making the COngress lose
credibility??? :D

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MBHAGAWAT [Click to see nuggets from this page] says:
March 5, 2011 at 1:12 pm

BJP D4 HAD MADE IT A PARTY OF SCOUNDRELS WHICH IT IS GOING DOWN AND
COUNTRY IS IN LIMBO.IF WE WOULD HAVE A EFFECTIVE OPPN WE WOULDNOT HAVE
HUMILIATED BY CONGRESS.THE COUNTRY IS PASSING THROUGH GRAVE CRISIS.IF
BJP WOULDNOT HAVE STRONG AND EFFICIENT LEADER TO LEAD COUNTRY WILL GO
TO DOGS AS IT IS.WE NEED STRONG LEADERS WHO CAN CHALLENGE CONGRESS
WITH HEADS ON AND WITH OFFENSIVE.BUT ONE DAY LKA APOLOGISED TO SG AND
NEXT DAY SS SAYS ENOUGH IS ENOUGH WHEN PM CONFESSED AND ACCEPTED ALL
RESPONSIBILITY FOR FIASCO IN CVC APPOINTMENT.ONE DAY SS SASY TAHTSHE
WOULD FILE AFFIDAVIT IN SC BUT NEXT DAY DECLINES.SO IS IT A PARTY OF
NATIONAL STATURE OR DEMOGAGUES OR FLATTERERS.JO DAR GAYA SO MAR
GAYA.SS LKS DIED .RIP.

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Rajiv says:
March 6, 2011 at 9:27 am

Must read…
——————————————————————-
Godhra : What the special court judge found..
——————————————————————-
http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/article1513008.ece?homepage=true
[Click to see nuggets from this page]

The special fast track court, which tried the Godhra train carnage
case, was in agreement with the prosecution that a large number of
local Muslims did gather “within minutes” of stopping the Sabarmati
Express on the outskirts of the railway station on February 27, 2002,
and they had stocks of petrol with them.

Additional sessions judge P.R. Patel held 31 persons guilty of a “pre-
planned conspiracy” and setting fire to coach S-6. In the incident, 59
people, mostly Vishwa Hindu Parishad kar sevaks, were killed. Of the
31 found guilty, the court sentenced to death 11 convicts,
particularly those it believed were present at a meeting, held the
previous night, where a conspiracy was hatched, and those who, it
agreed, had actually entered the coach and poured petrol before
setting it afire. The other 20 convicts were sentenced to life
imprisonment.

According to some of the observations made by the judge, the court
believed that had there been no pre-planned conspiracy, “it would not
have been possible to gather Muslim persons with deadly weapons within
five to six minutes and reach near “A” cabin on the railway track”
after the train was made to stop by chain pulling a second time.

The judge also accepted the prosecution theory of the perpetrators
having collected petrol the previous night, after the meeting at the
Aman Guest House. Had petrol not been kept ready in loose form in
carboys the previous night near Aman Guest House, “it would not have
been possible to reach with carboys containing petrol in a huge
quantity immediately, that is within 5 to 10 minutes, near coach S-6.”

Taking the conspiracy theory forward, the court maintained that it was
not a random attack on S-6, but was specifically targeted at the kar
sevaks. “The target of the assailants were not all passengers of this
train or any other train or any other Hindus, but definitely the kar
sevaks who were travelling in this train,” the judge wrote in his 826-
page judgment.

“Shouting of slogans by the assailants and announcement over a
loudspeaker from a nearby mosque also clearly suggest motive and pre-
plan.” The judge disagreed with the defence submission that the attack
could be “reactions” to the alleged “misbehaviour” by the kar sevaks
with some Muslims on the Godhra station platform, pointing out that
skirmishes had taken place earlier at other railway stations too but
there was no such violent reaction. “That the quarrel took place on
the platform or misbehaviour with Muslim girls by kar sevaks was the
only the cause for spontaneous reactions can never be accepted because
as per the evidence on record, such quarrel had also taken place
earlier at the Rudroli station in Uttar Pradesh, and at the Dahod
station in Gujarat. However, it did not result in such serious
reactions,” the court observed.

“Taking advantage of the alleged misbehaviour by kar sevaks with
Muslim girls, the absconding accused Salim Panwala and accused Mehboob
Ahmed alias Latiko raised shouts, called Muslim people from the nearby
area of Signal Falia, misleading [them] that kar sevaks were abducting
Muslim girl from inside the train, and also instructed [them] to stop
the train by pulling the chain,” the judgement said. “Immediately a
mob of more than 900 Muslim people attacked the train with sticks,
iron pipes, iron rods, dhariyas, guptis, acid bulbs, burning rags, and
the crowd was instigated by announcements over loudspeakers from the
nearby Ali Masjid.”

The judge also said “by creating such tense atmosphere, the passengers
were prevented from jumping out of the train.”

The judge went into the history of Godhra and the communal situation
in the central Gujarat town, where the population between the two
communities was almost equally divided. “Godhra is known for its
history of communal riots. For Godhra, this is not the first incident
of burning alive innocent persons belonging to the Hindu community,”
he said. He quoted some 10 incidents of communal clashes in Godhra
between 1965 and 1992, and said during many riots Hindus were “burnt
alive and shops and houses came to be destroyed by fire.”

Going into the technicalities of the offence to constitute a “criminal
conspiracy,” the judge said a “criminal conspiracy is complete as soon
as two or more persons agree to do or cause to be done an illegal act.
It is immaterial whether the illegal act was the ultimate object of
such an agreement or was merely incidental to that object. The
agreement in itself is enough to constitute the offence.”

——————————————————————-
Its important that people like Digvijay, communal Antulay, duplicitous
Sonia, Rahul and communal/psuedo secular journalists , read the courts
findings and stop misleading propoganda.

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B.V.SHENOY says:
March 6, 2011 at 11:25 am

Dear friends,

It is two weeks since we heard anything from Shri Vinod Sharma. His
blog has fallen silent. He has stopped responding to opinions,
criticisms, attacks, insinuations, innuendo and even praise, rare as
it is. This has given rise to several questions.

Has the steep slide in the fortunes of this congress governmant and
the party affected Sharma so badly that he is in no mood to visit his
blog as often as he used to, earlier?

Has his readership been overly critical of his worshipful bias for the
congress party and the Roman Empress?

Has he been struck by the “writer’s block”?

Is he fed up with the increasing demands ostensibly made on his
writing and debating “skills” made by the party he loves to hate and
the leader he loves to love, particularly now when the party and the
leader are slipping into a bottomless pit of corruption, misgovernance
and curse of the Hindu wrath?

Whatever it is, it is time for Shri Sharma to come clean and “appear
before the jury” with a convincing explanation.

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(Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:
March 6th, 2011 at 7:38 pm

@Mr. Shenoy

Sir
I am also wondering as to the reason of Mr. Sharma being silent ever
since the CVC verdict was delivered by the apex court. What to speak
of we people, even tv anchors were complaining to the fact that none
of the congress leaders were responding to their invitations for a
discussion on the current issues. I believe that is understandable.
How they could justify and defend some one which is embarrassing not
to the party alone but is a big personal snub tp the PM also. However
these congress leaders must be busy digging out some of the weak
points of BJP , especially of Mr. Yeddiruppa. I am sure these people
will come back once the heat of these issues has cooled down. But
their being silent for once and be not able to face the public in
itself is very unusuall and rare.
BNA

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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
March 6th, 2011 at 7:50 pm

Dr.Anand,

you are right there.

Even the acceptance of responsibility by MMS was, if you have watched
the Tv, strained and forced out very unwillingly and agitatedly. MMS
is today one hell of a confused man.

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(Dr.) B.N.Anand Reply:
March 7th, 2011 at 6:24 pm

@ Mr. Shenoy
Sir
You said MMS is today one hell of a confused man—–
let me complete ( if you allow)
“and a lonely person”
BNA

B.V.SHENOY Reply:
March 7th, 2011 at 7:02 pm

Dr. Anand,

If you allow me, a lay man, to do a bit of psycho-analysis, MMS is
under tremendous psychological pressure, because all the political
reverses he is facing is for the first time and to me he appears to be
cracking under the strain. As you know, he is not the thick-barked
politician, who can weather any psunami and come up tops. My fear is
that if he doesn’t resign soon, he may become a psychological wreck.
It was clearly written on his face when he faced the TV cameras in
Jammu.
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Vijay Kumar says:
March 6, 2011 at 12:33 pm

@ Shenoy,

I am equally worried !! Where has Vinodji disappeared….?

Should we inform the “Gumshuda department ” of the police ? Or issue a
hue and cry notice…?

Is it because of a tiff he had with Arnab on TV??

Or is it because the current plunging fortunes of the Congress our
dear Vinodji has gone into remorse… or maybe he is enjoying himself in
a bar in Berlin..:D

Whatever it is, I hope his current actvities can pass the censor
board !!! :D :D !!!

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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
March 6th, 2011 at 1:09 pm

Vijay Kumar,

The most charitable explanation for this rather unusual quietude on
his part may be because he is immersed upto his ears in the work of
NCM.

On a practical level, however, the official spokespersons have become
uncharacteristically “naram”, exhausted and prone to call “sick”
whenever called to defend Manmohan Singh, particularly after the
Thomas mess. And Vinodji must be under great pressure to appear more
and more on TV defending the indefensible, which, beyond a point, even
he cannot do. Therefore, I guess he has gone to a place where the TV
cameras cannot reach him for his ‘reactions and comments’.

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Saarthak [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
March 7th, 2011 at 4:08 am

Greetings to Rajiv, BV Shenoy, Vijay Kumar, (Dr.) B.N.Anand. Just want
to say I visit Vinodji’s blog to mainly read your comments below his
increasingly ridiculous posts. Your mini blogs if I may call them are
so much more honest, witty, articulate and interesting. Thank you for
your wonderful efforts!

Would love to see your reactions on this propaganda piece from Pankaj
Vohra: http://www.hindustantimes.com/PM-redeems-his-image/Article1-670253.aspx
[Click to see nuggets from this page]

According to Pankaj the PM has “redeemed his image” by accepting
responsibility for the CVC mess. Funny isn’t it? The comments below
his column are much more readable!

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sarvesh Reply:
March 7th, 2011 at 10:05 am

Indeed, I am also a regular visitor of Vinodji’s blog but what brings
me here time and again is the insightfuland humorous comments by B.V.
Shenoy, Vijay Kumar, Dr. BN Anand etc. I would like to thank them for
their valuable efforts to counter the Shramaji’s Bhaktiful blogs in
support of corrupt UPA government.

B.V.SHENOY Reply:
March 7th, 2011 at 12:29 pm

Dear Saarthak/Sarvesh,

Here is my reply to Shri Vohra, sent by e-mail:

Dear Shri Vohra,

It seems to me that you were in a tearing hurry to give ’shabaash’ to
the beleagured Manmohan Singh, even before “experts” analysed his
vague, partial ‘mea culpa’ given in response to a reporter. The matter
is so big and the SC judgement on it too is so momentous, that a mere
“I accept my responsibility’ will hardly suffice. It doesn’t give
reasons why he HAD TO FORCE THE TAINTED THOMAS DOWN THE THROAT OF THE
NATION in such a brazen manner. He has also to reply to Arun Jaitley’s
questions whether he was misled or he allowed himself to be misled.
Besides, it is pertinent to note here that this Thomas chap was
earlier brought to Delhi by breraking quite a few norms and rules. He
was also given, earlier, a clean chit by the vigilance commission. The
very troubling question of why the topmost bureaucracy colluded with
the PM/HM panel to falsify the records, hiding the pending
chargesheet, etc. also needs to be answered by the PM and PM only.

Since you have brought in the irrelevant matter of Narasimha Rao not
accepting his responsibility for the demolition of the Babri Masjid
(what a far fetched idea, Sirjee!), I may mention here, if you have
chosen to forget them, a few cases, where apologies and amends were
due to the nation as a whole and not only to the Muslim community as
in the case of Babri Masjid:

1 Jawaharlal Nehru didn’t ever tender an apology ( he also never
accepted his blunder) to the nation for surrendering a third of the
landmass of the Indian state of Jammu and Kashmir to Pakistan in 1948.
It was, literally, a Himalayan blunder, yet till his death or any time
thereafter the congress never accepted the blunder.

2. Indira Gandhi, after winning the 1971 war against Pakistan, failed
to get even 5% of the advantage a victor extracts from the vanquished.
Yet, till her death she never accepted failure of her defence and
foreign policies and apologised to the nation.

3. Indira Gandhi had the Golden Temple destroyed by the army’s tanks
and bull dozers and though it was a gigantic, sacrilegious blunder for
which she paid the price with her life, It took several years for the
congress party to offer a rather contrived apology to the Sikh
community.

3. The congress party is yet to apologise to the same community for
the anti-Sikh pogrom Rajiv Gandhi carried out in 1984.

Vijay Kumar Reply:
March 7th, 2011 at 3:36 pm

Thank you Sarthak and Sarvesh !

We need to make this blog a rip roaring roller coaster and
enjoyable… :)

And we still need the primary father of this blog, Vinod Sharma, to
light the fire of a good fight. SO even if we disagree with him most
of the time, we still need him around…
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Vijay Kumar says:
March 6, 2011 at 4:24 pm

~~~ :( :( ~~ THE BIG DANGER AROUND THE CORNER~~ :( :(~~~

What if Manmohan SIngh resigns and some moron like Digvijay or Aiyar
becomes PM?????

Manmohan SIngh may resign in case he is not allowed to take action
against the corrupt in the UPA as he does not want to end his reing
with a personal corruption charge. The shouting brigade in the
Congress may blind the Rajmata and the Yuvraj to dump him and push the
blame of thousands of crores loot on him.

Then, comes in the big danger. The COngress will look for yes men
without a base.

And there are three possibilities

a) Chidabaran. NO base. But then they won’t let him get the seat as he
can become indepndent.

b) Pranabda. Age is on his side as he will keep the seat warm for the
Yuvraj. But he believes he has a base.

c) Digvijay Singh. Horrible choice. Since he has tried to absolve,
terrorists, the royal family may feel he has a base.

d) Mani buffoon AIyar. Possible as he has no base and feet touching
loyalty. THe most disastarous possibility who can ruin a functioning
nation as he did the CWG and create a confrontation everywhere. Only
fellow stephanian or a failed IAS aspirant — who did not get in– is
impressed by his English… :) :D

BIG BIG DANGER EVERYWHERE…..

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Praveen Saxena Reply:
March 7th, 2011 at 11:07 am

@Vijay

Since quite a few of us are missing Mr Vinod Sharma , and he appears
to be too pre-occupied with ,matters more presssing, the burden lies
on our shoulders to keep his flag flying. To start with Vijay , I
propose you may start responding to the posts on his behalf.
It would be interesting to see how well you can capture his mind ,
langauage and idiom ?

The new post

Varun Gandhi and Yamini Roy got married at Varanasi . Congratulations
to them. The grrom wore dhoti kurta. and the bride wore a Banarsi
sari.
When his elder cousin gets married and we shall all congratulate the
couple , with one small difference , the groom and the bride would
both be wearing the dhoti kurta ?

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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
March 7th, 2011 at 12:39 pm

Praveen Saxenaji,

This is an 8″-below-the-belt hit to Rahul Gandhi and will surely
invite a manly reponse from Shri Vinod Sharma/Digvijay Singh and rest
of the babalog. Keep the barbs dipped in poison and ready.

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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
March 7th, 2011 at 12:47 pm

Saxenaji,

Rahul would have danced with acute pain (you know why) and sung this
gaana:

meraa bhai banaa hai dulhaa aur phuul khile hai.n dil ke
arey merii bhii shaadii ho jaaye, duaa karo sab mil ke

ai mere maalik, mere daataa, mere paalanahaaraa
Bhai ko tuune dulhan de dii rah gayaa mai.n hii ku.Nvaaraa
mujh ko bhii merii dulhan/dulha de de mai.n bhii hasuu.N khil khil ke

Praveen Saxena Reply:
March 7th, 2011 at 1:15 pm

Shenoy Saab
None can surpass you.
Now Vijay has more posts to respond to.
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Vijay Kumar says:
March 7, 2011 at 3:49 pm

~~~~:( :( :( (((( DANGER ! ))) ((((( ONE MILLION VOLT SHOCK
POSSIBLE ))))) :( :(:( ~~~~`

I think all dynasties all over the world should take notice!!

What has happened in the Middle East is a warning that OLIGARCHS and
KINGS and DYNASTIC succesionists are no longer tolerated!!!

While India has been ahead of most countries in remaining a democracy,
we have created a system where the sons and daughters claim the
“gaddi’ just because they are sons or daughters.

We have a long list of MUMMY and PAPA MP’s ! :)

Right from the Gandhy dynasty to Mulayam, Pawar, YSR, Naidu… this
malaise cuts across all parties! But what has happened to Mubarak and
Gadaffi should be studied by all…

Vinodji can you have a very important blog on
this????????????????????????????????????//

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vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
March 7th, 2011 at 7:06 pm

Dear blogmates,
I haven’t run away anywhere. I am very much here but shall be
interacting with you only after a gap. The month of March hasn’t been
kind to me since 2005 when a major tragedy hit me and my family. So
bear with me

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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
March 7th, 2011 at 9:17 pm

Dear Vinodji,

none of us had any inkling of what might have kept you away for so
long, particularly when so many earth-shaking things were happening.
If any of us has hurt your feelings, we are sorry and we want to
assure you that we share your grief, even from a distance.

Here is a song (it is actually beautiful poetry) from the old picture
Inspector, which will do a world of good for your “dil”. Please listen
to it:

दिल छेड़ कोई ऐसा नग़मा
गीतों में ज़माना खो जाए
दिल छेड़ कोई ऐसा नग़मा

ये आह मेरी दुनिया के लिए -२
ख़ुशियों का तराना हो जाए
दिल छेड़ कोई ऐसा नग़मा

(आवाज़ मेरे टूटे दिल की
दुनिया के दिलों को तड़पा दे) -२
पत्थर का जिगर भी सुनके जिसे
एक बार तो पानी हो जाए
दिल छेड़ कोई ऐसा नग़मा

हाय, जिसने हमें यह दर्द दिया -२
हम उसको दुआएं देते हैं
ये दर्द दवा बन जाएगा
एक दिन जो पुराना हो जाए
दिल छेड़ कोई ऐसा नग़मा

(है तुझको क़सम ऐ दिल की ज्वलन
आँखों में न आँसू आजाएं) -२
ऐसा न हो तेरे रोने से
महफ़िल में तमाशा हो जाए
दिल छेड़ कोई ऐसा नग़मा

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Caged innocence: Aseemanand shows the Hindu Path

451 Comments

I have felt compelled to reproduce this report for a broader debate on
an issue that touches the core of our nationhood. It’s my fervent hope
the participants will view it without prejudice rather than dismissing
it as some “pseudo-secular” lament. These are India’s innocent
children jailed for no crime or fault of theirs. Even Swami
Aseemanand’s heart melted on being tended by one such victim. If
reports in a section of the media are true, that’s what made him
confess to crimes for which Kaleem, the Muslim boy he met and grew
fond of in prison, was implicated.

The angst and the remorse that drove Aseemanand’s “confessions”
epitomize true values and ethos of Hinduism. As a believer, he hasn’t
merely accepted his misdoings but shown the courage to face
punishment. His penance is a testimony to his remarkable character.
Such sense of sacrifice requires saintly qualities. The Swami has
showed us the way forward— fissures in the society need healing for a
robust national response to terror. Unity is the answer to the
challenge, not retributive terror could injure or alienate the
innocent who, if denied justice, could be misled into joining the
marauders.

The report that I reproduce is prepared by Yoginder Sikand who works
with the Centre for the Study of Social Exclusion at the National Law
School, Bangalore . It lacks a Hindu right-wing voice. Yet it requires
an honest appraisal:

In the wake of startling revelations about the involvement of Hindutva
groups in numerous acts of terror across India in recent years, last
week a number of human rights organizations jointly held a one-day
public meeting in New Delhi under the banner ‘Tracing Sangh Terror
Links And Stories Of Innocent Muslim Boys’ to highlight an issue that
has hitherto received scant media attention. Several social and
political activists gave their testimonies, as did Muslim men and
their relatives who have been unfairly targeted by the police for acts
of terror in which they had no involvement at all.

In her opening remarks, Mansi Sharma of the well-known human rights
group ANHAD recounted chilling details of bomb blasts in various parts
of the country that are now known to have been engineered by Hindutva
groups. She accused the agencies of the state for going slow on the
investigation of such cases, of suppressing vital information about
them and of wrongly targeting, arresting and torturing perfectly
innocent Muslims for such acts. Many of them still languish in jail
without any evidence having been brought against them.

In his remarks, noted human rights activist and former IAS officer
Harsh Mander critiqued the ‘global war on terror’ for its underlying
assumption that terrorism was linked only to some Muslims, and for
prompting governments across the world to introduce laws that clearly
violate human rights in the name of combating terrorism. He criticized
Indian state agencies for consistently associating the bomb blasts
that have taken place in the country in recent years with Muslims
alone. Sometimes, within fifteen minutes of a blast, the agencies
claim that it was the handiwork of some Muslim terrorist outfit or the
other, he remarked, noting that these claims were made as if they were
solidly proven facts, rather than speculation. If the agencies that
make such claims immediately after such attacks and without proper
investigation indeed knew that certain Muslim groups were behind them,
why, he asked, did they take no prior action to prevent them? On the
other hand, if they did not have any such prior information, then how
did they conclude that they were the handiwork of Muslim outfits,
sometimes within just fifteen minutes of their taking place? This
clearly indicated, Mandar said, that such charges reflected a deeply
communal mind-set that automatically associated Muslims with
terrorism, even in cases, such as the Mecca Masjid blast in Hyderabad,
where the victims were all Muslims, and where Muslims were randomly
picked up and thrown into jail and falsely accused. In the wake of
recent revelations that Hindutva groups have been behind numerous acts
of terror across India, he stressed, this mind-set must change.

Mander indicated the extent to which anti-Muslim prejudice has spread
across India, partly because of the tendency, including on the part of
agencies of the state, to associate Muslims with all acts of terror
while being benignly blind to the involvement of Hindutva forces in
terrorism. ‘Every Muslim youth above the age of eighteen has to bear
the burden of proving that he is not a terrorist,’ he lamented, adding
that it was possible that just about any Muslim could be picked up by
the police and falsely accused of being a terrorist. Scores of such
cases of extra-judicial arrests have been reported from across the
country, he noted. Perfectly innocent Muslim boys have been illegally
arrested, tortured and forced to make false confessions of being
involved in one act of terror or the other, including blasts which
Hindutva groups have been responsible for, he said. In several cases,
Mander went on, such boys did not receive justice from the courts,
which remained indifferent to the very obvious torture that they had
been subjected to. Large numbers of such innocent Muslim youth
continue to languish in jail for years, their lives being completely
wasted. Their applications for bail have been turned down by the
courts. Meanwhile, their families are subject to social boycott,
shunned even by their fellow Muslims for fear of being accused of
links with alleged terrorists. In several cases, the jailed men were
the sole or main bread-earners of their families, and so their
families have been reduced to utter penury. In the few cases where
such youth have been released after much effort, many of them have
lost their jobs and no one is willing to employ them, even though they
have been proven to be innocent.

Veteran journalist Seema Mustafa noted that in both Congress- as well
as BJP-ruled states, scores of innocent Muslim youth falsely
implicated in acts of terror, subjected to horrendous torture and
illegally imprisoned. In this matter, she said, there was little
difference between the two parties. She expressed her dismay that,
barring a few papers and TV channels, this continuing witch-hunt of
innocent Muslims in the name of fighting terror has received no media
attention at all. Instead, the media focuses only on maulvis and their
politicking, as in the case of the ongoing controversy over the rector
of the Deoband madrasa, completely ignoring the plight of the oppressed
—Muslims, Dalits and others. Rather than raising their voice against
injustice, the dominant media, which is now almost fully corporatized,
is engaged in what she termed a ‘conspiracy of silence’, acting as a
tool to protect the ruling establishment. That, she said, was not the
proper role of journalists, for the government has its own ‘propaganda
machine’.

Insisting that Hindutva terror was hardly the novel development that
some sections of the media are making it out to be, Satya Sivaraman, a
Delhi-based social activist, pointed out that as early as 1948,
Hindutva terror took the life of Gandhi. ‘There are some things that
are so big that they appear invisible, and Hindutva terrorism is one
of them,’ he pointed out. Terrorism, he explained, was not just about
planting bombs. There was also the phenomenon of ideological
terrorism, which the Hindutva camp, that stands for Brahminism and
‘upper’ caste Hindu supremacy, has very sedulously cultivated in all
sections of society. The recent Ayodhya judgment, he said, was a clear
indication of how deep the ideology of Hindutva has penetrated. He
noted that Hindutva spokesmen are on record as declaring their
intention of subverting the Indian Constitution, which they regard as
the very antithesis of Hindutva. As recent revelations have shown,
some Hindutva forces even hoped for a coup to establish what they call
a ‘Hindu state’. Such a state, he argued, would spell doom not just
for Muslims, but also for other marginalized communities, such as
Dalits and Adivasis.

Shabnam Hashmi of ANHAD accused Hindutva forces of being responsible
for the burning of a coach of the Sabarmati Express in Godhra in 2002,
which then led to the massacre of Muslims across Gujarat. Besides, she
also spoke of the involvement of Hindutva forces in numerous bomb
blasts across India. She lamented that although ANHAD had been
consistently highlighting the phenomenon of Hindutva terror in its
numerous meetings for many years now, the media had, by and large,
completely ignored this and continues to refuse to recognize what she
called the ‘Sanghi terror network’. These Hindutva acts of terror, she
went on, were clearly aimed at seeking to wrongly blame Muslims for
them, and fomenting anti-Muslim hysteria and promoting the
demonization of Muslims. ‘The situation has become so bad that every
Muslim mother fears her son might not return home in the evening,’ she
said, indicating the possibility of a well-planned conspiracy to make
Muslims what she termed ‘permanently second-class citizens in this
country.’ She claimed that the RSS and its supporters had infiltrated
deep into the agencies of the state, and that this posed a major
challenge for the struggle for justice.

Senior leader of the CPI (M), Sitaram Yechury critiqued the tendency
to associate terrorism only with some Muslims, and pointed out that
Hindutva terrorism, too, was a reality. It was certainly not a new
phenomenon, he said, for it went back to the early twentieth century,
to people like Hindu Mahasabhite Savarkar (who coined the term
“Hindutva”) who advocated what he called the ‘militarisation of
Hindudom.’ Likewise, another Hindu Mahasabha leader, BS Moonje, set up
the Central Hindu Military Educational Society for the same purpose.
All forms of terrorism needed to be attacked, Yechury argued, and if
the agencies of the state did not stop targeting one particular
community in the name of combating terror, they would, in effect, be
promoting terrorism themselves.

Ram Vilas Paswan, President of the Lok Janshakti Party, echoed the
views of the other speakers and labeled the RSS as ‘the greatest enemy
of the unity of the country’ and called them ‘fake nationalists’. He
claimed that the RSS was ‘even more dangerous’ than fringe Islamist
outfits like the Students Islamic Movement of India (SIMI), and
questioned why, when the Government had banned the SIMI, it had not
given the RSS and its various outfits the same treatment. He insisted
that if the religious minorities were continued to be denied justice,
it would prove extremely dangerous for the country. He urged the need
for combating what he called the ‘anti-Muslim mentality’ that has now
become so pervasive.

Senior Congress leader Digvijay Singh pressed the need for an
ideological struggle against terrorism and communalism, both Hindu and
Muslim. Banning organizations were not the solution if they were able
to resurface under new names, he said. Whenever the BJP is weak, it at
once raises communal issues, he explained. Hindutva forces talk of
building a temple only on a spot that is disputed, and of unfurling
the tricolor flag where there is a dispute, as in the Hubli Eidgah,
but in their own homes they unfurl the saffron flag, he alleged. He
spoke of the continued targeting of innocent Muslim youth in the name
of combatting terrorism, and indicated that this was a very dangerous
trend. Many of them had dozens of fake cases slapped on them, filed in
different states simply to harass them. In some cases, lawyers
fighting their cases have been badly beaten up, he noted.

Singh spoke of some Hindutva terrorists who, he said, were employed in
the Saraswati Shishu Mandir schools run by the RSS. He also provided
evidence of the involvement of Hindutva groups in numerous bomb
blasts, including in his own state of Madhya Pradesh. Many of those
involved in plotting blasts had fled to Gujarat for safety, he said.

Noted human rights activist Subhash Gatade, who has uncovered several
cases of Hindutva terror, spoke of how the government apparatus and
the media continue to be soft on the phenomenon. Another intrepid
activist, Suresh Khairnar, who has been consistently highlighting
clear evidence of Hindutva terror for many years, lambasted the media
for ignoring the issue. Numerous papers, he said, had falsely accused
Muslims of being involved in specific incidents of terror, but when
evidence was later unearthed clearly proving them to be the handiwork
of Hindutva forces, these papers, even when approached by aggrieved
Muslims and secular human rights activists, refused to issue an
apology. Anti-Muslim poison, he said, was being actively spread
through the media, but yet the state has taken no action against it.
‘All sections of the administration have become thoroughly
communalised’, he continued, expressing his skepticism that the
Congress would sincerely take up the issue of Hindutva terrorism, for
the party’s secular credentials, he said, were ‘doubtful’.

The well-known legal activist Prashant Bhushan pointed out that in
almost all cases of terror acts, innocent people, mostly Muslims, have
been arrested by the police. Even in cases such as the Mecca Masjid
(Hyderabad), Malegaon, Ajmer and Samjhauta Express blasts, which are
now said to have been the handiwork of Hindutva forces, large numbers
of innocent Muslims, accused by the police of being involved, continue
to languish in prison. The media continues to remain indifferent to
their plight. The police, for its part, he said, was ‘extremely
communalized’, and deeply anti-Muslim, which explained why many
policemen had no qualms at all about falsely implicating innocent
Muslims in terror cases. Communalisation, Bhushan claimed, had even
affected the courts. He argued for the need for the state to recruit
only such people as police officers and judges who were not communal,
and who had not been members of any communal organization.

Journalist Amit Sengupta of Hard News spoke of how, in the ‘neo-
liberal’ dispensation under which we live today, in a country where,
according to him, 78% of its people live on under 20 rupees a day,
Hindutva terrorists were being feted as valiant heroes by their ardent
supporters, while a man like Binayak Sen, who has peacefully served
impoverished people by providing them medical aid, has been branded as
a Naxalite and served with a sentence of life imprisonment. ‘What is
the message that the government is giving the people?’, he asked in
anguish, pointing out while agencies of the state go about killing
social activists championing the cause of the poor in the name of
combating Naxalism and imprison and kill innocent Muslims with
impunity in the guise of combating terrorism, a mass murderer remains
the Chief Minister of a state and Hindutva terrorists remain largely
untouched.

Ashish Khetan, a journalist researching cases of terrorism, argued
that ‘jihadist’ and ‘saffron’ terror were deeply intertwined, that
they fed on each other, and that they could not be understood apart
from each other. He claimed that a section of the RSS had taken to
terrorism in recent years, being involved in bomb blasts in various
parts of India. He also noted that a very small number of Muslims have
also been involved in terror activities. Based on his travels and
investigations, he said, these Muslims felt impelled to resort to such
acts for broadly four reasons: the destruction of the Babri Masjid;
the anti-Muslim pogrom in Gujarat; the anti-Muslim bias of the police;
and the complete failure of the criminal justice system.

Noted social activist Farah Naqvi spoke of how efforts on the part of
Muslims to mobilize for their rights, including simply for civil
amenities in their localities, were often loudly denounced as a
menacing threat, and that those who sought to raise Muslim concerns,
even on developmental issues, could easily face the risk of being
thrown into jail. Hence, they were often forced to remain silent,
which simply meant that they were forced to suffer their poverty and
the denial of the facilities that they were entitled to as citizens of
India. Muslim deprivation across India, she said, had much to do with
this predicament. Muslims in large parts of India, Naqvi said,
continued to live under the ever-present fear of being arrested by the
police. She argued that it was unreasonable to expect Muslims to
develop if they continue to face insecurity and be denied justice and
security.

All in all, then, a very grim picture that can no longer be denied by
anyone concerned about the way this country is heading.

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Comments
451 Responses to “Caged innocence: Aseemanand shows the Hindu Path”

1.
Rajeev [Click to see nuggets from this page] says:
February 10, 2011 at 8:35 pm

Mr.Sharma has confessed that he disrespected his parents because they
could not adjust with his wife and his congressim.
WHat a lowlife?

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vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 11th, 2011 at 5:09 pm

Jao bhai Shrawan ki katha karo aur apeny pap dholo. I will keep asking
you whether you call ur dad Buddha till you get a certificate from
him. You haven’t yet told me in which home for elders have you dumped
the unfortunate man with an aaulad like you.

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Rajeev [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 11th, 2011 at 10:44 pm

Why would I call my father Buddha as he is not morally corrupt like
you.
You got my answer. You look like old mature person but your behaviour
on TV and on blogs make you seem like gali ka launda but as you are
not a gali ka launda, I’ll call you senile Buddha.

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AJ Reply:
February 11th, 2011 at 10:52 pm

@ Rajeev

Please let us not drag in our parents in the debate.

@Vinod Sharma

Dont u think u have had a good career as a journalist. today after so
many years of being a journalist u have to remind people on national
television that u are one.i dont understand y would a person defend
the corrupt? i dont question ur integrity but y would u want to defend
corrupt unless u are not hand in gloves with them?

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Rajeev [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 11th, 2011 at 11:15 pm

AJ,
I called Vinod Sharma ‘Buddha’ and he dragged his parents into it. If
calling someone OLD MAN is OK, so should be Buddha.
He has used choicest abuses for everyone who doesn’t approve of his
Sonia-Puja. He is basically misguided OLD MAN.

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AJ Reply:
February 13th, 2011 at 11:13 am

@Vinod Sharma.

Hey one suggestion…Y dont u change the name of your paper to “CONGRESS
TIMES” OR ” RAHUL TIMES” OR “SONIA TIMES.”

what a pity.nowadays u appear on Tv just to make fun of yourself.How
does it feel after having a good career?

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2.
Rajeev [Click to see nuggets from this page] says:
February 10, 2011 at 9:06 pm

Mr.Sharma has great future in Congress as he has already started
polishing Rahul’s shoes and doing his dishes.
Well done..Maa-Baap ko Bhula diya aur Gairon ki khidmat kar rahein
hein…

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3.
ram autar says:
February 10, 2011 at 9:40 pm

i have seen lot of brhmncl jokers saving the modi.he is part of big
plan,

SECRET OF BRAHMINIST RULE OVER INDIA

Keep Bahujans starved by diverting funds to war & violence
OUR CORRESPONDENT

Bangalore: The world has just learnt the official announcement of
China becoming the world’s second most powerful economy, overtaking
Japan. But the Hindu rulers of India, who have kept the over 85% of
its slaves crushed, are least bothered about the failing health of the
country. Because they say the country does not belong to them as they
are Aryans, aliens and invaders.

They say their job is to rule India at any cost and they have been
successfully doing it since centuries.

BAHUJANS HAVE NO ENEMY
In 1962, China crushed India in a border war and even after about 48
years the border dispute remains unsolved. On one side the Indian
rulers are spending so much on “defending” Kashmir where the local
people are on perpetual revolt. On the other side it is spending its
resources on guarding the Himalayan borders against China. And
fighting Pakistan.

A major portion of the Indian tax-payers money is being diverted to
defence expenditure, further depriving funds meant for the food,
clothing and shelter of the 85% indigenous Bahujan have-nots.

OUR MONEY DIVERTED TO WAGE WARS
Since the West, led by its Jewish hate-mongers are against China but
chummy with the ruling “Jews of India” it is very difficult to get at
the truth in this series of conflicts between India and China,
Pakistan, Kashmir.

The native Bahujans are peace-lovers. They are poverty-stricken,
illiterate and devoid of health care.

But the ruling micro-minority Brahminists are diverting our money to
wage war against the these “enemies”.

Reading between the lines in Western media reports, we were able to
make out that China-India relations are as bad as ever — if not
deteriorating because India’s policy-making is in the hands of the
hate-mongering Brahminists who being “Jews of India” always go hand in
hand with their Jewish cousins.

China has patched up its differences with all its neighbours as far as
border disputes are concerned — except India. The 4,000 km border
between the two is the main bone of contention even after half a
century. The border dispute affects pockets in Uttarkhand, Kashmir,
Arunachal Pradesh — thousands of miles.

OFFICERS SIPPING WHISKEY
Such a lengthy border is manned by our Bahujan soldiers in freezing
cold round the year. The Army bosses, all Aryan upper castes, spend
time sipping whiskey in the cosy comforts of army clubs.

Brahminical rulers giving shelter to the hated Tibetan refugee, the
Dalai Lama, is the main source of trouble between the two countries.

Whenever the Hindu rulers want to irritate China, they let loose the
well-fed Tibetan hounds to attack the Chinese embassy in Delhi despite
the embassy enjoying all the diplomatic privilege and protection. The
entire police force deployed to “protect” the embassy belongs to our
Bahujan Samaj.

DALAI LAMA’S HEINOUS ROLE
As long as this hated Dalai Lama is pampered and protected by the
Indian rulers, China will never be ready for any reconciliation with
India. Political observers say the Hindu rulers are sheltering the
Dalai Lama, a stooge of the West, only to irritate China.

Does it not mean India is deliberately diverting billions and billions
of rupees meant for its Bahujan have-nots for border defence? Who
asked the rulers to wage war against these countries?

BORDER DISPUTE DELIBERATELY NOT SOLVED
If the rulers are genuinely interested in the well-being of its own
population will it divert such huge funds for border defence?

Aryan rulers hate Bahujans and to punish them they play such war
games.

The only thing that guides and directs the Indian upper caste rulers
is hate. They hate the over 85% oppressed, starving Indians and that
is why to keep them permanently under slavery they are not solving the
border disputes.

In other words there is no chance of a border settlement with China.

WANTED MORE BOMBS
The Hindu rulers have just pushed through a nuclear deal with US which
the observers see as a sign of America trying to use India against
China. India became a nuclear power to fight Pakistan. Now it wants
more bombs and more powerful ones to face the super power China. That
means more money will be diverted to buy bombs.

BRAHMINISTS GAIN IN EVERY WAR
Look at the American hypocrisy. It is against Iran going nuclear but
it is giving all-out help to further enhance the capabilities of the
already nuclear power (India).

The hate-mongering Jews, after enslaving the White Western Christians,
forced the West to attack Islam. Iraq and Afghanistan are pounded. But
the West did not win — rather defeated. Their next target is said to
be China for which they are using India’s Brahminical rulers.

Having been once defeated, is it ready to face China, now a super
power? The Aryan rulers are not bothered.

If there is a war with China or Pakistan those who die in battlefield
are our people. The money meant for us will be spent. Both ways the
Brahminists stand to gain.

China is fully aware of all these developments and that is why it has
encircled the whole of India. All the countries surrounding India have
become closest allies of China after Hindu rulers quarrelled with
every neighbour.

ITCHING FOR ANOTHER WAR WITH PAKISTAN
Pakistan and “Hindu India” had several wars and Indian rulers are
itching for another war. “Hate Muslim” campaign is at its height in
India.

Brahminical terrorism led by the Abhinav Bharat is preparing the
ground with Israeli funds and weapons.

But China has assured full support. It has become Pakistan’s biggest
supplier of defence hardware and fighter planes and guided missiles.
And even bomb.

As long as Brahminical rulers continue to hold India’s neck, the
Bahujans will be kept at starvation level with war and violence
against neighbours always exploding on our face.

.

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V.K.CHAWLA Reply:
February 10th, 2011 at 11:35 pm

IT SEEMS THE WRITER OF THE COMMENTS IS JUST WRITING WITHOUT BOTHERING
THE CONTENTS , ITS MEANING . ALL OF COMMENTS ARE ALMOST INANE ,
SENSELESS . DO WRITE BUT WITH A SENSE OF SUBSTANCE , IN FUTURE SO THAT
IF ANY ONE TO READ IT , HE CAN DO IT BUT IN PRESENT FORM OF THE
COMMENTS , ONE LOOSES THE TRACK & INTEREST .

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Rajeev [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 11th, 2011 at 12:04 am

Mr.Chawla,
This same Ram Autar is ideological ally of Vinod Sharma..Kitne bure
din aa gaye hai Mr.Sharma ke.

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ram autar Reply:
February 11th, 2011 at 1:42 am

rajeev and chawala ,anti-muslim anti-pakistan hate mongering policy
have no taker.people want peace and progress employment.2 crores
hindus,victims of brhmnsm are working in muslim countries feeding half
india.

vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 11th, 2011 at 5:12 pm

Burrey din itney burre lagte hain to papa ko ghar wapas lao bigdey
bachchey. Maa Baap ki baddua lagte hai bahut kaske. Ise umar me tumhe
pata lag jayega.

Rajeev [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 11th, 2011 at 11:13 pm

Sharmaji,
Exactly same advise to you…Apne Buddhe maa-baap ko ghar wapas lao…
sanki buddhe..

vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 11th, 2011 at 5:21 pm

@Ram Autar
I regret having misread your first blog that made me side with you. I
disagree very strongly with some of your subsequent arguments —-
especially the way you are twisting the cause of Dalits through
convoluted logic. You are painting all Jews and upper caste Hindus
with the same brush, forgetting that Marx, Chomsky were jews and
Mahatma Gandhi and Lohia banias.
Pl apply breaks to your incessant, incoherent bombardment.

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Pankaj#1 Reply:
February 11th, 2011 at 7:27 pm

Vinodji,
You are right here. I think your endorsement of this criminal has got
the goat of most people. nothing has infuriated me more than this
nodding at him.

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V.K.CHAWLA Reply:
February 11th, 2011 at 11:06 pm

@ VINOD SHARMA ; ‘ SUBHAH KA BHOOLA , SHAM KO WAPIS TO AYYA ; LEKIN
AADHA AADHA . THE WRITING OF THIS DISGUSTING FELLOW WITH A NAKLI NAAAM
IS A SHAM , INANE , SENSELESS . NO BODY WORTH CAN READ THE NONSENSE .
I , FURTHER , DOUBT THAT THE WRITING & WORDING ARE BEING LIFTED FROM
SOME SHAM NET NETWORK & IS BEING PRODUCED HERE , BY MIXING VARIOUS
NETWORK’S PRODUCTS . IT IS BETTER TO SKIP THIS PERSON’s COMMENTS

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ram autar Reply:
February 11th, 2011 at 11:36 pm

mahatma was serving brhmnsm,though he was bania.root of all problems
in india.

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hindu militant Reply:
February 25th, 2011 at 10:16 pm

@ram avtaar,
I am not a brahmin, and I dont consider dalits and adivasis as
inferior, I consider them as my hindu brothers.

I dont care who rules India, dalit or otherwise

BUT at the same time I have unmitigated HATRED for muslims and want to
do to them exactly what happened to hindu minority in Pakistan.
Incidentally, Dr. Ambedkar also advised the dalits in pakistan to
migrate to India during partition.

And if any so-called bahujan samaji comes in between me and muslims I
dont mind fighting you also.
4.
Rajeev [Click to see nuggets from this page] says:
February 11, 2011 at 12:53 am

Here a clip from Pakistani film, where Hindus are openly badmouthed…
What Ram Autar and Ravi have to say about their country?

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ram autar Reply:
February 11th, 2011 at 1:36 am

it is part of drama scene like this comes sometimes in indian dramas
as well.rss rumour spreading society)catches the high caste youth by
showing all this non-sense.
savarkar was homosexual very fond of youths in naicker.

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Rajeev [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 11th, 2011 at 3:38 am

Are you confusing Savarkar with Maulana Samy Sandwitch or Mohammad?

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ram autar Reply:
February 11th, 2011 at 11:37 pm

Rishis – Born to

8. Vashistar – Urvasi

9. Naradar – Washer woman

10. Kadanasalliyar – Widow

11. Madankar – Cobbler woman

12. Mandaviyar – Frog

13. Kangaeyar – ***

15. Sounagar – Dog

16. Ganathar – Owl

17. Sugar – Paroot

18. Jambuvantar – Bear

19. Aswathaman – Horse

This is the greatness of the Hindu rishis and their births. I think
the people of the Barbarian era would at least be more intelligent
than our Dravidian people. The history of our forefathers and rishis
is disgusting and demeaning. They are responsible for our Dravidian
degradation and disgrace. Now let us pass on to other gods.

As per one Hindu mythology Mahavishnu and Parameswaran both males,
fall in love with each other, cohabit and produce a male child which
is being worshipped by the Hindu orthodox people even now, as Sastha
or Iyappan, or Harihara Puthran.

Iyappa: Again it is stated clearly that Mahavishnu fell in love with
another Brahma rishi called Naradar and produced not one child but 60
babies. 60 years of the Hindus from Prabava are named after the 60
children of Brahma.

These episodes do not stop with Mahavishnu. We are told of interesting
vulgarities about Mahavishnu’s wife called Mahalakshmi. It seems
Lakshmi saw a beautiful horse and instantly fell in love with the
horse. Vishnu, the knower of all things, came to know about this
matter. He immediately changed his wife Lakshmi, into a mare and he
himself became a horse. The Vishnu and Lakshmi enjoyed. They did not
give birth to a foal, but a human being was born to them. He was named
Eka Veeran.

Now let us take into consideration the truths said about the greatness
of Devendiran, the king of the devas. Once the king Devendiran
happened to see a lady named Parisadam, she was the dutiful wife of a
rishi. He wanted to have intercourse with her. He said that he had a
great love for her. She replied that she has neither love for Indiran
nor could she betray her husband. Indiran was frustrated. He was
determined to achieve his object. Some time later the rishi performed
Aswamedha yaga wherein his wife Parisadam had to insert the penis of
the horse into her womb, as a ritual. Indiran seized this as the best
opportunity. He somehow entered inside the male organ of the horse and
accomplished his long felt desire. Indiran spoilt Parisadam forcibly
against her wishes.

I have enlightened you with great restraint, the details regarding
Brahma, Rishis, Devas and their king to enable you to learn something
about them as is authoritatively stated in the Manu’s code
5.
Rajeev [Click to see nuggets from this page] says:
February 11, 2011 at 12:57 am

Another pakistani clip…This reminds me of Shahrukh Khan’s words “They
are great neighbors”…
Watch and enjoy their hatred

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ram autar Reply:
February 11th, 2011 at 1:38 am

yes i second this pakistanis are great neighbour.india is hated by all
its neighbours.because of hate spewing brhmns.

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Rajeev [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 11th, 2011 at 3:37 am

You should know your uncle Vinod Sharma happens to be Brahmin.

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Pankaj#1 Reply:
February 11th, 2011 at 7:03 am

@ Vinod,
Are you really all that dense up there? or it is something else. why
you are stuck at 1947? India has progressed a lot beyond that. Have
You?

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6.
Rajeev [Click to see nuggets from this page] says:
February 11, 2011 at 3:36 am

Here is true face of pakistani thugs Ravi and Ram Autar (rather Mo-
Autar)

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this page]

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7.
Rajiv says:
February 11, 2011 at 5:57 am

If you don’t have Pakistanis like Mo-Autar, how will you know what
Pakistan is ?
Do you believe congress propogandist Mr Vindo Sharma or do you believe
what you hear and see , from Kasav to ISI to Jinnah to Taleban to
Zardari to Mo-Autar to LeT ?
Bye the way, India has against agreed to futile, farcical talks with
the criminal entity .

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8.
Pankaj#1 says:
February 11, 2011 at 7:10 am

Vinod;
You still think that Indians are Bhed bakri? Whom you can shepherd at
your will. Most of the bloggers are more intelligent than all your
congress ministers. Alse, they are not all that crooked. Congress is
trying hard, but soon, it will find that Indians will not tolerate
congress clowns any more. I know, congress is only afraid of violence,
so you people will get it in not so distant future.

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vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 11th, 2011 at 5:03 pm

Now the threat of violence. What do I do? Lodge an FIR? Can’t help but
be fearful as it comes from the progeny of those who killed Gandhi.

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Pankaj#1 Reply:
February 11th, 2011 at 6:36 pm

Vinodji;
Why you are paranoid? You are twisting my alert to a threat. Egyptian
scene is revolution and any repeat scene here is threatening? How long
population will tolerate this open loot. Government koi Mai baap
sarkar nahin hai- but government is behaving like dispenser of favors,
protector of corrupts and unable to control inflation. Economic
progress has touched only few million people, while teeming hundreds
of millions are being crushed under injustice and poverty. Government
should realize that in this age, public has not remained as docile as
once it was.
Moral authority is non existent. I remember that on the appeal of
Government in sixtees, people donated gold jewellry, money and on one
appeal, they gave up food for one time in a day. This actually
happened. Do you think, there is any body in present dispension, who
will command such moral authority. I am sure, any appeal of this
nature, will be laughed at, so low is government’s reputation.

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veer bhallal Reply:
February 12th, 2011 at 10:57 pm

but they are not womanizers like our b loved leaders

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Pankaj#1 Reply:
February 13th, 2011 at 7:40 pm

@ Vinod
How long you will keep on MILKING this killing of Gandhi mantra? Have
you(congress) not already ruled, all over India for many decades.
Became rich beyond dreams. Not satisfied with this rape of India, you
assumed fake names like indira Gandhi, Rajiv Gandhi and all these
Gandhis, just to perpetuate your lies and loot. Hundreds of millions
of people do not know that these looter have no relation to MK Gandhi,
the person who was at par with Prophets, much above PM and presidents.
The person who could stop worst blood letting by his denial of
nourishment to himeself. How dare you people take his name for your
nefarious designs. Do not you dare to portray him as congressi and
Nathu Ram Godse as RSS, because they were not.

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dimple Reply:
February 14th, 2011 at 8:19 am

u call us gandhis progeny…..

and u r the progeny of congress and people who eliminated hindus from
kashmir,pakistan and bangladesh and yet decided to stay behind because
of people like u who could not ev
be fair in the logic of division..

40 % land given to pakistan and yet 1/2 million killed and hindus
eliminated from there..

and yet u nevr answer qs on hindus killed and cleansed there and in
kashmir…

and even sikhs in 1984 is not true for u ..

and congress has giftedd u a minorities chairmanship…when u dont even
know who is majority and minority..

ur whole world revolves around licking congress and their favorite
votebank minority..

it is u peeople who created communal riots in 1947 and r responsible
for all riots since 1947..

in otherwords u r responsible for the killing of millions…

in any decent country u wuld have been tried for treason long ago but
u workd for looters who delight in looting food and water from the
poor…

no wonder u r against development messia modi..

godse willingly went to the noose for this country…right or wrong..

and he alone does not make all individuals posting here..

u dont even acknowledge courts have acquited rss…

and u make up tales about saffron terror….

only in the shaitan world of congress can people like u be media…

u do not even know media is supposed to be watchdog of govt but u r a
ghastly lapdog
hired to betray the country …no wonder all ur positiosn are being
echoed by pakistan

latest being saffron terror used by it to negate any justice to
26-11..

now go and dance in joy in front of the hosues of the victims..

start with that constable kumble who singlehandedly arrested kasab and
gave his life..

a

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V.K.CHAWLA Reply:
February 14th, 2011 at 8:42 pm

In future please , attach a hindi version of your comments , as I
suspect with all my convictions that your comments will go over the
head of likes of Vinod Sharmas. As a memory chip was embedded in their
childhood , by the minons of Congress with filtered taste of history &
about Indians & India , so everything else is bypassed which does not
tally with the pre processed memory chip.
9.
SKS_Mumbai says:
February 11, 2011 at 9:02 am

Here is a man who calls others bunch of charlatans, foul mouthed
Nagpur bumpkins, fake nationalists etc.

It is possible that he doesn’t consider those words abusive simply
because they are “English Words”.

He also showed his Hindi vocabulary by calling them Dangais, Galla
Vyaparis.

Galla Vyaparis, in his scheme of things, appear to be despicable
things and hence best used for Insulting whomsoever he wishes to. [In
an exactly opposite scenario, if some of us had called him "a Galla
Vyapari in the sense that he uses this word" he would've accused us of
having a casteist mindset]

The word “Galla Vyapari” by itself can only be as insulting as the
word “Journalist” or “scientist”. But expecting him to realize, that
one doesn’t have to be a Galla Vyapari (or a journalist) to state the
above, is obviously “too big an ask”:

The above would hold even if reasons, to suspect, the target of being
a Galla Vyapari did not exist. Although evidence from his replies on
this post, seems to suggest that the only reason he would require
before calling you a Galla Vyapari, is disagreeing with his claims/
views.

Now what to say about the term Dangais? It is as good as calling us
murderers and this man then, has the cheek to preach us that “Calling
others congress chamchas and ISI agents borders on abuse”.

He also asserts that our ideological ancestors killed Gandhi. This
because he already “knows” that we are RSS men. Again the basis for
his conclusion remains the same: that we disagreed and questioned him.

There is more.
For the “secular” forces of this country, it never mattered that
Supreme court had completely absolved RSS of Gandhi’s murder. Not just
that, another secular stalwart the famous Noorani, in an article in
“the Statesman” repeated that charge. RSS went to court, both Noorani
and Statesman ignored the court summons (secular “respect” for
judiciary). When court issued non-bailable warrants, both of them
wrote unconditional apologies and expressed regret to save their sorry
#*?@. Remember Aziz Burney’s apology? Yet an assortment of “seculars”
go on repeating these charges whenever they get a chance. Note the
pattern: Sharma jee’s ancestor questions and “seculars” like Shabnam
Hashmi, Paswan etc. on Gandhi’s murder.

And then Mr Vinod Sharma accuses us “of twisting facts to suit our
convenience” Unsurprising then that he accuses us of “spewing canards”
and making “baseless allegations”!

A Very Honorable Mr Vinod Shram.

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B.V.SHENOY Reply:
February 11th, 2011 at 11:34 am

SKS, (I wish I knew your name)

You have put it correctly and clearly.

The RSS, when it was founded in the 1920’s, might have been an
organisation of a handful of Brahmins, but today, it is a huge pan
Hindu organisation, in which Brahmins are a small minority.

In the early 50’s Jansangh founded, with only three Brahmins, Dr.
Shyamaprasad Mukherjee, Atal Bihari Vajapayee and Deen dayal Upadhyaya
as its only members. Later, its detractors began calling the party a
traders’ party, Vaish community’s political arm etc. This is from
where Vinod Sharma chose to pick the pejorative (according to him)
term, ‘gulla vyapari’. But today, this party has the highest number of
OBC, SC/ST legislators in the whole of India. And interestingly,
Brahmins and Vaish community figure as a minority.

As for spreading canards, its viciousness increases in direct
proportion to the threat perception of the congress from the BJP.
Nothing surprising there.

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V.K.CHAWLA Reply:
February 13th, 2011 at 12:24 am

Actually the problem with the likes of Vinod Sharma is that while
schooling they were dumbwit children , so to make them a reasonable
person of some ” PARRA LIKHA ” , their teachers gave them memory chips
to stick , so the language , words these chips were fed & made , is
now being tumbled automatically , out from their mouth or any scheme
of things of writing . So you should not be surprised whatever you say
or is a reality , they are bound to say the predetermined words ,
language only . ignore them Man ; they are a lost case , in any case.

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10.
Praveen Saxena says:
February 11, 2011 at 10:34 am

It had been stressed ,on this blog that a Supreme Court monitored
Inquiry is the best way to investigate the 2 G loot. And it happened .
They may be regretting that now.
Now Press Reports say that thge DMK is peeved that the CBI has reached
so far, so as to tell the SC that Raja has made approx 3000crs . Now
this has gone beyond what was discussed.
So expect to see some more action on the ISRO deal now from within the
UPA gang.
NCP bossses are unhappy that why the CBI has progressed to reach the
Maharasthra connection to the 2G scam.( DB Balwa and his political
guardians in Maharashtra)
So expect to see some more action on the ISRO deal now , again from
within the UPA gang.
So in sum total . reading the newspapers and TV news shall continue to
be exciting in days to come ,and naukri of some gets more pakki.
Arre Vijay Bhai woh discussion kuch hum log kar rahe they ki agla PM
kaun ho sakta hai?

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11.
Praveen Saxena says:
February 11, 2011 at 10:51 am

Arre wah Vijay Bhai , Mubarak ho bhaiyya. Chai ka nimantran aur woh
bhi akele akele.

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Vijay Kumar Reply:
February 11th, 2011 at 11:55 am

@ Praveen,

I think the opposition really needs to get together two three faces on
who is thier choice of PM is, in case of various permutations. Advani,
Chandrababu, Nitish Kumar, Jaitley are the obvious choices

As such Congress ka safaya is gauranteed. The so called Rahul charisma
is restricted to the media houses in Delhi and will not translate into
votes anymore, if the opposition manages to have some young known
faces all over.

The BJP lost in 2004 as it a) CHose the wrong ally in Tamil Nadu when
it dumped Karunanidhi
b) Chose to be defensive on Kandhar, when it had all reasons to
project it as a success, after all Jaswant Singh did risk his life to
rescue the hostges by going to a land filled with mad Rotweilers

In 2009, it campaign was based on negative factors of pulling down
Manmohan SIngh.

Besides the top vacancy at the PM level, the opposition has to also
get some new faces which are known all over India and may not
necessarily have risen from the ranks. This is very necessary as at
least 50% of actual voters will be below 40 and the Congress just has
a single line agenda that Rahul is young and fresh. And these faces
should be modern, computer savvy and acceptable. And they have to be
from all fields– social work, business, law, sports, arts, military…

For example Anil Kumble, who is now a BJP member, projects soberness,
leadership and intelligence.

Or Narayan Murthy who is itching to be in politics but nobody is
giving him the break.

Or maybe Rahul Bajaj from business.
.
etc etc.

Maybe even Vinod Sharma ?? :D Sir… will you agree if BJP gives you a
ticket ?????????

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Vijay Kumar Reply:
February 11th, 2011 at 12:04 pm

I forgot to add that the opposition needs to create an effective kisan
cell to get our farmers a real lobby.

In the end, the next elections will really be about how the youth
votes swings….

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Pankaj#1 Reply:
February 11th, 2011 at 7:17 pm

Saxena ji, Aab to mera dil bhi jal raha hai. Chai ke saath kuchh khane
ko bhi hai.

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Praveen Saxena Reply:
February 12th, 2011 at 9:50 am

Pankajji pata nahin Barista mein samose milte hai ki nahin. Wahan to
khali pastries, doughnuts,patties vagairah hotey hain.

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Pankaj#1 Reply:
February 12th, 2011 at 7:12 pm

Saxena sahab;
Phir na jata main, mujhe to panchkuiyaan wale samose hee pasand hain.
12.
B.V.SHENOY says:
February 11, 2011 at 11:06 am

Pankaj,

I heartily agree with you that we need not be and should never be
boorish.
Some of the youngsters here are regularly crossing the Lakshman Rekha
of appropriateness in language.

But, Shri Vinod Sharma too could sift the bad eggs from the good ones,
instead of tarring every blogger with the same brush of abusive
language. Perhaps he is being paranoid that the world is out to get
every congressi or congress supporter.

This time, besides choosing a very sensitive subject for the blog,
Shri Vinod Sharma has been conspicuously ‘willing to wound (the Hindu
community) but afraid to hurt’. Consequently, he has chosen an array
of “writers and social activists, known in popular parlance as
jholawallahs, to inflict the hurtful cuts and throw the poisonous
barbs from their bows.

If he had voiced his own outrage about the core issue of his blog,
viz; the illegal detention without trial of hundreds of Muslim youths,
without doubt most of us would have given our critical remarks and the
debate could have proceeded on a healthy and less hurtful manner.
Instead, he chose a convenient short cut of voicing the untenable,
unpalatable opinions of known Hindu baiters.

I hope better sense would prevail alround.

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vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 11th, 2011 at 4:57 pm

Better sense has to dawn on all. That shall only happen if we agree to
certain ground rules of debate and come down together on anybody who
willfully violates them. In the past, I did request Vijay Kumar to
play the referee. He tried but didn’t quiet succeed. Let us not sit in
judgement and honestly introspect. That alone is the answer to
meaninful debate — in which I am really interested or else why would I
run this blog?

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dimple Reply:
February 12th, 2011 at 7:12 am

appropriatenesss in language..??

do u feel angry at the injustice done by congress and theri henchmen
for 60 years…u do not feel as passionate about corruption poverty
childlabor
lack of law..yeah the most important issue is harmless language

yeah calling modi a mass murder and saffron terrorists by media is
fine with u…
because u dont move an inch to show ur anger…but u want to be judge of
what is abuse..

do u even know abuse is subjective…

this shenoy guy was asking yeddy to resign and claiming he always
votes against the congress..

if yeddy had resigned..congress game plan wuld have been realized..bjp
wuld have lost lingayat vote and lost panchayat parishad elections…

with freinds like these who needs enemies…

and if someone does not talk and waste time in discussing sacho panza
or cervantes or pickwick paperes with him..his logic is it is not that
persons cup of tea

what is appropriate is to dfeat congress..if u dont even know that and
how to do it
dont show how docile hindus r by ur passive timepass here..

have u even noticed how the minoriities hate and unite against the bjp
because of their religios hatred eg bjp truly secular positions on
conversion and civil code …that is their passion ..no matter what the
merits..eg hatred for modi and bjp

congress has a headstart with the minority vote and turn out as in
2009…they won with 26 % vote..

if u dont know this fact…get them and then brush up ur logical side
which is sorely rusting

no wonder it can trample on wishy wasshy hindus like u and rule

yeah no one shuld be abusive on internet but kicking out kashmiri
hindus is fine

yeah and let me join u in ur only passion to congratulate people who
have a passion for minorities like this blogger…as if the minorities
do not have enough muscle and friends worldwide..the recent being
conversion agents elena sen and her husband…and that same world is
ganging up against hindus

now go and read wodehouse and be satisfied that hindus produce wimps
like u who
have no sense of passion whn it comes to their own community…

only hindus make such moralistic senti petty comments…giving clean
chits to people without any proof to the contrary…i have yet to see a
minority give aclean chit for modi or bjp…even if the court could
acquit him

on the otherhand the same gang is wanting binayak freed defying the
courts…

and peole like higness shenoy r worried about abuse as defined and
judged by them… just like his cleanchit..

no wonder hindus have been subjugated fro 1000 years…they r docile…but
worse treacherous
and when someone shows bravery like modi and bjp which is the only
party that can save them

they will try to get claps by pretending to be evenhanded and moral…
yeah the poorest and most corrupt and unhealthy and lawless country in
world ..so so moral…

only bjp can save us from congress…no but yeddy shuld resign so
congress can win…this guy was inventing more allegations against yeddy
than even media congressis.

this is his way of voting against congress…when he is an agent of
congress by his innocence..

yeah but “abuse” on a board is the priority…no one wants to abuse
anyone…it is called anger
and free speech..there is nthing illegal….and when separatists pelt
stones and kill jawans or
stop development in delhi…because of demolition protests….

shenoy is fine with that.. people like shenoy r the reason why india
has always been subjugated by the so called minorities…they have no
passion for bigger issues and when someone shows it..

censorboard shenoy will swoop down calling it abusive..

wow what passion and what a sense of priority

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13.
Vijay Kumar says:
February 11, 2011 at 12:02 pm

@ Vinod Sharma,

Thank you for your invitation for a chai :)

I do cross your path sometimes a the HT office but find it prudent to
keep quiet…

Yes there is a Barista cafe at Scindia house a minutes walk from the
HT. Maybe someday, this vagabodn will seek your company there ! :)

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vinod sharma [Click to see nuggets from this page] Reply:
February 11th, 2011 at 4:51 pm

PRUDENCE? Wow. Does it come naturally to you? Doesn’t seem so from
your sweeping generalisations on this blog. Anyway, Barista isn’t a
bad rendezvous. Might ask u whether u swashbuckle on the blog to
impress your friend? If that’s so, I’m game and wouldn’t mind in
future. Will even generously concede u brownie points. :) )

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vijay Kumar Reply:
February 11th, 2011 at 6:53 pm

@ Vinod Sharma,

Well I never thought I was making sweeping generalisations… ! Thank u
if you concede me brownie points I am sure, it would help me making an
impression by showing my report card !

And for starters, let me swashbuckle a bit Sharukh Khan style– and
await your comments. In case you give me some good brownie points then
I can tell your junior that, ” Look honey, your boss Vinodji, did not
agree with my thesis at first go, but then I did turn out to be
right…”

a) If you go three blogs back, I had approximately predicted that Raja
had probably taken 3000 crores as kickbacks . @ 25 crore a licence,
for 122 licences. Now the CBI has said the same ! :D

b) Or the prediction that the entire COngress machinery will come to
fight for the illegal mosques in Jangpura and none for the illegal
temple in Push Vihar, though both were equally bad ! :)

Wish my prediction for a change of government too comes correct as the
Congress is taking people for granted and more dangerously winking at
communalism, terror and corruption…

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