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Congress did not initiate anti-Sikh riots in 1984: Gadkari
IANS, Apr 26, 2010, 10.52am IST
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NEW DELHI: Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) president Nitin Gadkari says
it's not entirely correct to blame the then Congress government for
initiating the anti-Sikh riots of 1984.
In an interview to BBC Hindi Service, Gadkari said: "Some people might
be involved in those riots but it would not be entirely correct to say
that the riots were initiated by the government.
"Nobody can manipulate or organise such incidents; these are
unfortunate reactions of the people at large."
Gadkari was replying to questions on the alleged involvement of the
BJP and its government in the demolition of the Babri mosque and the
1992 Gujarat riots.
"Gujarat riots were unfortunate. But when riots take place in other
states, why aren't governments and chief ministers blamed for that?"
the newly-elected BJP president asked.
"Why don't you corner Congress governments and their chief ministers
for riots which took place in Congress-governed states, the way you
are cornering Modi and the BJP? Riots took place in Mumbai in 1992 and
the way Sikhs were killed in Delhi..."
He also said the BJP was not anti-Muslim, and shot back, "If our party
were against the Muslims, why would we nominate Dr. Abdul Kalam as the
president of the country?"
Here are some excerpts from the interview:
BBC: Can you assure the Muslim community that your party is not
against them?
Gadkari: If our party were against the Muslims, why would we nominate
Dr. Abdul Kalam as the president of the country?
BBC: Dr Abdul Kalam was surely made the President but how would your
party wash the blemish of Gujarat riots?
Gadkari: More serious riots took place in Mumbai (in 1992) but why
wasn't the government (in the state) blamed? Why wasn't a Special
Investigating Team set up against the then chief minister of
Maharashtra?
BBC: Do you think Muslims will forget the Gujarat riots and the
demolition of the Babri mosque?
Gadkari: Gujarat riots were unfortunate. But when riots take place in
other states, why aren't governments and chief ministers blamed for
that?
BBC: Can Muslims forget Gujarat riots and the demolition of the Babri
mosque?
Gadkari: This is only a section of the media and certain individuals
who write or say unfounded things about us.
BBC: Are you saying that Gujarat riots and the demolition of the Babri
mosque never happened and these incidents are media's creation?
Gadkari: Both these incidents did happen. I am asking you why don't
you corner Congress governments and their chief ministers for riots
which took place in Congress-governed states, the way you are
cornering Modi and the BJP? Riots took place in Mumbai in 1992 and the
way Sikhs were killed in Delhi...
BBC: But the Congress party is answerable for that...and the media has
been questioning the party...
Gadkari: The basic thing is that nobody can manipulate or organise
such incidents. These are the unfortunate reactions by the people at
large.
BBC: Do you think '84 riots were also a reaction of the people and
there was no manipulation involved?
Gadkari: Look, some people might be involved in those riots but it
would not be entirely correct to say that the riots were initiated by
the government.
Congress did not initiate anti-Sikh riots in 1984: Gadkari
kapil Hyderabad 26 Apr, 2010 10:36 PM
I think you are first in promoting manipulated news againist BJP. I do
not know what type of journalism you are doing.
Bharani Vyas Navi Mumbai 26 Apr, 2010 08:53 PM
Neither can Muslims forget Godhra and Babri....nor can Hindus forget
the butchering of Kashmiri Pandits or the Kar Sevaks coming from
Ayodhya....But forgeting and forgiving, and never allowing a
repetition of such events is the only way ahead.
Jaspal US 26 Apr, 2010 07:25 PM
I know the truth about 84 genocide, was just few years old when my
family was killed in front of me and my locality was attacked by mob.
It was everyone who took benefit or minority, Congress, BJP, Rss,
Corrupt officials, high class dominant hindus who are glued to all
government positions.
boopathi chennai 26 Apr, 2010 07:10 PM
Hindus are minority among other religion in world.one religion is
converting for money and house.One religion put bombs and kill
us.Hindus are minority.
Why BBC didn't question them?SherePunjab S.
SherGill USA 26 Apr, 2010 06:48 PM
Mr. Badal, what is ur reply to it. Since 1984 all akalis shouting at
high pitch that government initiated 84 roits.
Now ur honeymoon partners for robing Punjab has cleared the government
of it. If correct then U are telling Sikh lies all these years. If
incorrect then how UR colition partner.
Namaste India MH 26 Apr, 2010 06:37 PM
Last 2000 years, Europeans and Arabs have been playing the game of one
upmanship. Both these groups continue unabashedly. Americans commited
riots after 9/11. That's Europe in America!! And Gujratis committed
riots after Godhra. It's unfortunate, but that's how riots take
place!! Interview is a mask
Rishi Kumar Ludhiana 26 Apr, 2010 06:06 PM
No one raises voice when Hindus are massacred in their own land like
what happened in Punjab and other parts of the country. None bothers
about the Godhra incident when Hindu pilgrims were burnt alive and
thousands of Hindus were killed in Punjab. Let us believe in the
policy of Live
Jatinder Singh London 26 Apr, 2010 05:54 PM
Democracy and justice had long disappeared from India. In case there
was a doubt, Mr Gadkari has cleared it.
mystic_sage_1791 baroda 26 Apr, 2010 05:30 PM
The interviewer is stupid and is assuming useless and baseless things.
Prashant Vadodara 26 Apr, 2010 04:52 PM
Yes. All parties should be criticised for playing communal cards; but
no official machinery should be used to this end. Chief Ministers of
Congress ruled states were never blamed like Gujarat CM for using
official machinery against a aprticular community.
Rajeev Nair Trivandrum 26 Apr, 2010 04:36 PM
As a hindu i feel that the congress and christian controlled english
media want to keep targeting us. I wonder if they will dare ask such
crap in a muslim country. Unfortunately we hindus dont have the
courage to draw the focus on to how this riots started. Its a pity
that we are bashed in our land
krishna Mumbai 26 Apr, 2010 04:26 PM
My answer to BBC will be- Yes! no one forgets the incedent when they
have lost someone. And as Mr. Gadkari said that there are many Hindus
who have lost life so far be it in India Bangladesh or
Pakistan.Pakistan leterally got away with killing thousands on Hindus
in Bangladesh.
romesh.sharma Germany 26 Apr, 2010 04:58 PM
Not Thousands but over a million had been butchered and innocent young
girls/children raped in BDesh and Pakistan.In India as well in
comparison to population muslim crimes top most than anyother
community.
kesar dubai 26 Apr, 2010 04:03 PM
they are making people foolish by these statements they are open anti
muslim, anti christian and anti sikhs also and every step is itself
proved see news papers of yesteryears with their hitler attitude and
language they were using
DS Tomar BJP TRUE 26 Apr, 2010 05:09 PM
it is your own creation. you are purely anti secularist. why don't you
ask this question to your self and from your inner heart that the bjp
really against the muslims? who initiated huj subsidy do you know? who
advocated for muslim school drop outs? there are thousands of example.
but reality is ..
Inder Raj Singh Patiala 26 Apr, 2010 03:59 PM
Shiromani Akali Dal should withdraw allaince with BJP
avtar chandigarh 26 Apr, 2010 05:31 PM
i totally agree with you
S,Dubey Delhi 26 Apr, 2010 03:39 PM
Let the media in our country and the west grow .Let them find details
of those burnt alive in Godhara and who are responsible and how can
such cruelity arise and tolerated .The media is responsible for
arousing communal hatred by exaggarating only one side of story as
that sells in West
Jagdeep Singh Mumbai 26 Apr, 2010 03:18 PM
BJP will never learn. They are a party that does not understand
people. They now say Congress was not involved just to save themselves
from the Post Godhra Rioting issue. How unfortunate that now the next
largest party of the country is playing with the sentiments of the
Sikh Community. Shame Shame
romesh.sharma Germany 26 Apr, 2010 05:12 PM
Don't be foolish and listen to what media says/prints.What to say
about Gadkari no person who supports BJP and RSS/VHP will ever say
what is being propagated to save/protect Cong/UPA.There are
international interigues and interests for this Govt is Pro US/West
and they hope big money from this Govt.
Prakasam India 26 Apr, 2010 03:11 PM
Why can't this fellow tell BBC that the question whether Muslims can
forget the riots should be put to the Muslim leadership. Also he could
tell them that the party is not against Muslims so long as they
consider themselves as Indians first.
dibakar delhi 26 Apr, 2010 03:39 PM
well said
Sarfaraz Surat 26 Apr, 2010 04:18 PM
rubbish
Rajinder Kaur Amritsar 26 Apr, 2010 03:11 PM
Both Sikhs and Muslims were the target of BJP and Congress
governments. Gadkari cannot fool the SIkh community. He is a nobody in
politics and would say what he has been fed by his RSS bosses who were
also responsible for largescale sikh massacre across the
nation.Prakasam India 26 Apr, 2010 03:05 PM
Could'nt the BJP get someone other than this confused, mumbling,
hamming man to be their Chief? Is it so bereft of leaders? Is this all
it can deliver for a people who look forward to a Great Bharatiya
Renaissance?
Snell chennai 26 Apr, 2010 03:04 PM
Times of India is one of the most obvious congress supporter. We have
been noticing this for a long time now.
Ravi Pune 26 Apr, 2010 02:58 PM
R we saying that the BJP and Congress are two sides of the same coin..
If congress does't want to come clean let them live with that
blemish.. Why should BJP follow congress' footsteps.. Guj riots took
place after the conclusion that Godhra carnage was a terrorist attack
(as admitted by Modi).
RAM USA 26 Apr, 2010 02:30 PM
Gadkari, BJP episode is over, no way this cheap politician can come in
to power, Modi is spared because majority has athority, If he would
have been in Europe / USA till now chapter finish...I req all thing
Mukesh Delhi 26 Apr, 2010 02:26 PM
The media react differently while reporting to BJP govern states and
focous on part as per their conveinence instead of full story.
Shashank Uk 26 Apr, 2010 02:25 PM
Congress haven't initiated sikh riots, they jave just distributed
Petrol to kills innocent sikhs, given promotions to officers who
killed the sikhs and still saving the culprits , cogress is as
innocent and our PM looks, not responcible for anything, :)
M.Farooque Mumbai 26 Apr, 2010 02:19 PM
Mr. Gadkari thinks people will believe what he is saying. Gadkari Ji
must know that no riot will continue for more than few days without
help of the govt machinery. In case of Gujrat the riot continued for
close to 3 months and this shows that Modi govt is involved
Ashis Kolkata 26 Apr, 2010 07:31 PM
Correct.In the same way, Pakistani Government was involved in riots
agianst the non-Muslims during the 40's, 50's and 60's.
hortense vaughan AUSTRALIA 26 Apr, 2010 02:16 PM
This is the typical gobbleydook trotted out by the fascist BJP when
asked about their involvement in riot and murder their evasive reply
is to ask "why dont you ask about the involvement of the Congress
party in other cases of riot and murder"
Sunil Gupta Delhi 26 Apr, 2010 01:48 PM
Very Nice Mr. Gadkari.
Shailendra Singh Dabi Rajasthan 26 Apr, 2010 01:44 PM.
if media is unbiased then they should prove this first. why they
didn't tell that in Indian history godhara riots are under controlled
in record duration. Why they don't ask reason behind the godhara
riots...why their question starts from post godhara riots...why they
don't discuss on godhara issue
Gurdev Singh Germany 26 Apr, 2010 01:43 PM
He should join the TV show COMEDY CIRCUS MAHASANGRAM on Sony
television. What a big JOKE he told that congress did not initiated
the 1984 Anti-Sikh Riots.If congress was not involved then why Sikh
were being disarmed by state police.He is a Joker and is just joking
on which whole India is laughing.
Vikas Chandigarh 26 Apr, 2010 03:05 PM
Sir, If you would go through the interview in its entirety, you would
find that he didn't make this statement'Congress did not initiate anti-
Sikh riots in 1984.' It has been presented by media in this way. If
you go through interview again,you would be able to find out the truth
distorted by media.
Sawant pune 26 Apr, 2010 01:40 PM
I agree with Ali. Times of India seems to be working for congress. It
is sad that such titles are used to manupulate the thinking of
readers.
Modin Bangalore 26 Apr, 2010 01:29 PM
This fellow keeps repeating the same line as a parrot. why other
governments are not asked.. He cant answer a simple question. Will
muslims ever forget the gujrat killings and Babri mosque demolition.
He or any of these crooks dont have an answer. In fact there cant be
an answer.
vim Mumbai, India 26 Apr, 2010 03:13 PM
Aap log kab sudharoge and when you will be a progressive culture...
Vikas Sharma Chandigarh 26 Apr, 2010 03:18 PM
I feel sorry for writing to a mean person like you who is communal as
well as biased. A riot is a riot and we must think that a human being
was killed. You are concerned only for your religion. A fanatic, I
assume, you are. I feel sorry for myself for coming down to your
standards.
Jagdeep Singh Mumbai 26 Apr, 2010 04:30 PM
Very good reply Vikas....
deepak pai mangalore,karnataka 26 Apr, 2010 03:31 PM
mr.modin ,if muslims willnot forget gujarat riots and babri
demolition ,then hindus also wont forget the division of nation in the
name of religion and barbaric muslim rule like , babar, gazni,
aurngazeb etc.,
abhay dubai 26 Apr, 2010 03:23 PM
yes. you are correct. he or any of the crooks in congress cannot
answer for the communal riots that happened in hyderabad through out
the 70's and in early 1990 (which was initiated by them all the time
to kick out their current CM to be replaced with another crook.) and
the cycle repeatsromesh.
sharma Germany 26 Apr, 2010 02:52 PM
He has replied shrewdly which person like you won't understand,and
even if he had replied elaborately fanatically motivated would've
interpreted contra to his good intentions.Moreover media is
exaggeratedly and deliberately engaged in fostering religous hatred
and doing all to keep the fire on.
pal BLR 26 Apr, 2010 02:48 PM
Will Hihus never forget Godhara riots? can you answer this question?
narayan surat 26 Apr, 2010 02:25 PM
it wellknown that babri masjid was named by congress and media,
actualy there was ram mandir which was demolished by baber and gujarat
roit was only reaction of godhara. how a C.m can do like whatever
alligation is there.there is some peoples ceating activities against
our nation
Parkar goa 26 Apr, 2010 02:05 PM
The Moghuls (read muslims) have demolished innumerable hindu temples
and structures and brutally converted hindus to islam during their
rule. Whoever opposed were killed mercilessly. How could hindus forget
this? Do any muslim apologise for this? The fact is that they feel
proud of all this.
Ashis Kolkata 26 Apr, 2010 07:42 PM
Tit for tat! To this want to add one more point. Who is more dreadful
to the Muslims - Modi or the Talibans?
Nikhil Pune 26 Apr, 2010 01:53 PM
Will Manmohan Singh forget the riots against the Sikhs. Same question
can be ask about Congress ruled states
Vikas Chandigarh 26 Apr, 2010 04:58 PM
Don't say anything against Manmohan. He is enjoying his prime-
ministership which people don't get that easily and the perks that
come along. Who lives, who dies, who cares. Let him fly in Jumbos and
enjoy cocktails with world leaders in the company of beautiful women.
Say it 1984 or any other riots?
Aasheesh Kumar NOIDA 26 Apr, 2010 01:49 PM
BJP is great.HRS Bangalore 26 Apr, 2010 04:50 PM
Mr. Modin, Why do all talk about Gujarat riots
Ms.S.Sundaram New Delhi 26 Apr, 2010 01:24 PM
Well said Gadkari. WHy no SIT on Cong ruled states?
Jagadeesh Bangalore 26 Apr, 2010 01:16 PM
Well said and it is very true and show Congress' double standards
VS Delhi 26 Apr, 2010 01:02 PM
What a joker. Whole world knows congress goons were involved and
police was ordered to disarm sikhs so they could not defend
themselves.
Hindutva Mumbai 26 Apr, 2010 01:02 PM
And now, when everyone knows about Pakistani Terrorist
Hindutva Mumbai 26 Apr, 2010 12:58 PM
This is a sure shot underplay by the Congress party. Well to add to
Mr. Gadkari's point, (a question to the Indians) why don't you punish
the accomplice to Rajiv Gandhi's murder? Why is she kept a criminal?
Hang her!
Satyajit London 26 Apr, 2010 12:58 PM
Nobody is fooled by the stupid comments of Gadkari or his stupid
queries writing above. Everyone knows how Muslims were burned alive
while Modi, and the police with is full tacit support, did nothing. As
a member of the majority Hindu community, I feel ashamed of our
treatment of Muslims in India
deepak pai mangalore 26 Apr, 2010 03:38 PM
Mr. satyajit, before making any such statements u shud knw the fact.
if u or ur family was there in the train on that day in godhra...u wud
not have made such a statement. it is easy for people like u in
overseas to make a such a coomment that u r ashamed.we are ashamed of
people like u .
Prajot Delhi 26 Apr, 2010 02:56 PM
@Satyajit - Brother sitting in London and commenting is easy.Going by
the half and manipulated facts is simple.First of all be updated of
the reality then only you deserve to comment on such issue..Bharat me
rah kar Bharat ko nahi jaane tum baahar rah kar kya Bakwaas kar rahe
ho...
Vivek Raipur 26 Apr, 2010 02:03 PM
u keep ur big mouth shut and hide in some cosy corner of the country
that led our ancestors live life like a slave.u r neither a hindu nor
an Indian, u r an opportunist and coward animal who himself doesnt
know why he is in this world.
joy Lucknow 26 Apr, 2010 12:48 PM
Mr. Gadkari is correct Government's role remains to control the riots,
Few Leaders of Congress were responsible for 1984 Anti Sikhs riots,
like Mr. Sajjan Kumar in West Delhi (Now facing the Charges in Court),
Mr.Bhagat in East Delhi, Mr. Jagdish Tytler (Probably Exonerated from
court due to L of E
yograj almora 26 Apr, 2010 12:46 PM
true,,there may be sajjankumars in bjp and adwanis in congress...but
what party has done to these fellows...only getting benefit of
loopholes in indian legal system...Ali Lucknow 26 Apr, 2010 12:29 PM
Why the title focuses only on a smaal part of article,which is not
important at all.What about gadkari asking,why no SIT for other
riots.TOI has become congress mouthpiece.And proudly so.Are you trying
to protect congress from their misdeeds.Shame on you.
AJ Gurgaon 26 Apr, 2010 01:47 PM
While the title is misleading, rather, Gadhkari was lead to admit
that. But its a joke to say Godhra riots were small, compared to the
others. And the demolition was a fact, and he never answers that. All
BJP leaders were present. It was not a mob instigated event. Advani
personally lead it.
Xion India 26 Apr, 2010 12:26 PM
Well said Gadkari.
Xion India 26 Apr, 2010 12:26 PM
Well said Gadkari.
Xion India 26 Apr, 2010 12:26 PM
Well said Gadkari.
kerekere BRITISH BROADCASTING CRAP 26 Apr, 2010 12:24 PM
BBC would be doing itself worthy if it keeps itself busy
devalde thakur medta 26 Apr, 2010 12:22 PM
Funny man. Strange logic. Do we need jokers.
Shyam Abu Dhabi 26 Apr, 2010 12:21 PM
Is TOI the mouthpiece of Congress? You could be partisan, but there
are limits. BJP chief asked a logical question. Why only riots in BJP
ruled states get SITs and so forth, when graver riots and ethnic
cleansing in Congress ruled places whitewashed?
Pradip Dombivli, Maharashtra 26 Apr, 2010 12:20 PM
It was not Congress Party but some of its leading leaders at Delhi
were involved in 1984 Shikh massacre. So also not entire BJP but its
leaders at Gujrat are responsible for Gujrat riots. Only after proper
investigation truth will come out as to who were responsible and
suitable action can be taken
Hindutva Mumbai 26 Apr, 2010 01:05 PM
Investigation for what? Is there any investigation which is evr
revealed in I.N.D.I.A? We all know the facts? Now all of a sudden u
need a survey? Why didn't the Cong govt question the then PM PV
Narsimha Rao abt the riots?
Anshul bangalore 26 Apr, 2010 12:17 PM
Look at this politician.....how he is manipulating things done by his
govt. and sadly people will still support him.
RK Hyderabad 26 Apr, 2010 12:13 PM
Even the worst enemy of Navin Patnaik will accuse him for the worst
communal riots in Orissa, but may blame for his failure to control the
perpetrators,they being partners in Govt.. The whole nation knows the
role players in Gujarat riots, that's the difference.
Om Prakash Yadav Dubai 26 Apr, 2010 12:10 PM
Even BJP did not initiate the Gujrat rights. The congress has lost the
ground in Mulsim vote bank. This is why they are blaming BJ to gain
the vote bank. Further, who should be blamed for Mumbai rights. It
happened in congress government.
Ravindra Nath Los Angeles, California, USA 26 Apr, 2010 12:09 PM
The plain fact is BJP got a bad deal from media on Gujrat riots while
they wishy - washy Delhi killings of Sikhs in 1984 and Bombay riots of
1992 under congress. May be congress has media under control. Why not
ask Sonia Gandhi about her involvement along with Rajiv in 84 Delhi
riots.
Jai Bharat.
Dilshan Hyd 26 Apr, 2010 12:06 PM
TOI is most absurd newspaper in world.
The article's title has got no relation to the context in which
Gadkari made the remark.Bullshit reporting.You have really brought the
standard of journalism to a record low.shame on you.
suleman india 26 Apr, 2010 12:04 PM
-Gadkari's meaning was"riots were not initiated by Government, but by
congress party"
observer world 26 Apr, 2010 12:03 PM
Media seems to be a Congress stooge and never blames Congress for Sikh
riots, what happened to Kashmir pundits in Kashmir, or all so many
communal clashes before BJP even existed. Truth is that biggest
mistake by Congress people was letting a single Muslim remain in India
after religious partition..
ssuleman india 26 Apr, 2010 12:00 PM
-Good skewed reporting!
Irfan Bangalore 26 Apr, 2010 11:54 AM
For your kind information Dr. APL Abdul Kalam, is not a Muslim.... !!!
with due respect to him. He practices Celibecy, he follows Bhagawat
Geetha and visits Thirumala venkateshwara temple. He is an Hindu in
the name of an Arabic Name......
Tarlochan Singh New Delhi 26 Apr, 2010 11:54 AM
if those riots were not initiated by the members and workers of
Congress, then why those individual leaters are still being
investigated such as sajjan Kumar, and Jagdish tytler.
HRS Bangalore 26 Apr, 2010 11:51 AM
Why the news headline is not in line with the last para of the news
item where Mr. Gadkari's reply is mentioned as it would not be
entirely correct to say that the riots were initiated by the
government. Why TOI would like to misquote
Keshav Delhi 26 Apr, 2010 11:50 AM
This is classic example of how shameless media put words in other's
mouth.Gadakari never said congress didn't initiate.What he said
government can't be held responsible.He has clearly said that SIT was
not established for riots other than Gujarat.TOI is misrepresenting
the facts here.
Pathetic TOI.
Nimish Inamdar Manila 26 Apr, 2010 11:48 AM
this is how you stalemate the queen. well played Gadkari but BBC had
sent a better player
Rohit kolkata 26 Apr, 2010 11:48 AM
the media is biased..period! this is effectively demonstrated by the
partial amnesia that it suffers from wrt. congress vs others. Crimes
of the Congress is overlooked.
Ajo Paul Bangalore, India 26 Apr, 2010 11:47 AM
Gujarat riots were in 2002 and not in 1992 as mentioned in the first
paragraph.
Ramesh New York 26 Apr, 2010 11:40 AM
Sikh Riots were initiated unfortunately by Rajiv Gandhi only.
HeChetan India 26 Apr, 2010 11:37 AM
Gadkari has not said what is being quoted in the headline. Please
refer to last answer in the excerpt.
Subhash Kota, Raj 26 Apr, 2010 11:30 AM
It has to be blamed on the government, becuase when riots
happened ..they had the police/army but did not use them to stop it
from day one...
Ziauddin Shafi Jeddah 26 Apr, 2010 11:30 AM
Wow - look who is talking. All riots are engineered by dirty
politicians with the sole aim of coming into political power or
retaining the same. The Sangh Parivar is a racist, casteist and
horribly communal network of which BJP is the political arm. How would
a Muslim support his killer?
aman jammu 26 Apr, 2010 01:00 PM
Please also put comments on the death sentence given in Delhi's blast
case, done by muslims groups. and if not then dont write here. live
and die in muslim country,people like u r more dangereous than other
religious groups,try to manipulate gains on others loss or pain.i love
to hear ur comments
Siva TN 26 Apr, 2010 11:29 AM
BBC fail in indian sociology, Gujarat/ hindus scared by Dharman canada
26 Apr, 2010 11:23 AM
84 riots resulted from Operation Blue Star which started an
unfortunate chain of events same as babri demolition started gujarat
riots. Congress is responsible for 84 riots
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Congress-did-not-initiate-anti-Sikh-riots-in-1984-Gadkari-/articleshow/5858445.cms
I was misquoted on 1984 riots: Gadkari
AGENCIES, Apr 26, 2010, 03.07pm IST
Tags:Nitin gadkari|anti sikh riots
NAGPUR: BJP president Nitin Gadkari on Monday said he has not given
any clean chit to the Congress in the 1984 anti-Sikh riots.
"I have not said any such thing and I have been quoted out of
context," he said here.
Gadkari was reacting to a radio report in which he was quoted as
saying that some people might be involved in those riots (anti-Sikh
riots) but it would not be entirely correct to say that the riots were
initiated by the (Congress) government.
"My statement was totally misinterpreted. The reference was to riots
in Gujarat where chief minister Narendra Modi was being blamed and
held responsible," he said.
Here are some excerpts from the interview:
BBC: Can you assure the Muslim community that your party is not
against them?
Gadkari: If our party were against the Muslims, why would we nominate
Dr. Abdul Kalam as the president of the country?
BBC: Dr Abdul Kalam was surely made the President but how would your
party wash the blemish of Gujarat riots?
Gadkari: More serious riots took place in Mumbai (in 1992) but why
wasn't the government (in the state) blamed? Why wasn't a Special
Investigating Team set up against the then chief minister of
Maharashtra?
BBC: Do you think Muslims will forget the Gujarat riots and the
demolition of the Babri mosque?
Gadkari: Gujarat riots were unfortunate. But when riots take place in
other states, why aren't governments and chief ministers blamed for
that?
BBC: Can Muslims forget Gujarat riots and the demolition of the Babri
mosque?
Gadkari: This is only a section of the media and certain individuals
who write or say unfounded things about us.
BBC: Are you saying that Gujarat riots and the demolition of the Babri
mosque never happened and these incidents are media's creation?
Gadkari: Both these incidents did happen. I am asking you why don't
you corner Congress governments and their chief ministers for riots
which took place in Congress-governed states, the way you are
cornering Modi and the BJP? Riots took place in Mumbai in 1992 and the
way Sikhs were killed in Delhi...
BBC: But the Congress party is answerable for that...and the media has
been questioning the party...
Gadkari: The basic thing is that nobody can manipulate or organise
such incidents. These are the unfortunate reactions by the people at
large.
BBC: Do you think '84 riots were also a reaction of the people and
there was no manipulation involved?
Gadkari: Look, some people might be involved in those riots but it
would not be entirely correct to say that the riots were initiated by
the government.
I was misquoted on 1984 riots: Gadkari
ProudIndian India 26 Apr, 2010 11:21 PM
Excellent reply by Krishna... Think we need to have a bigger thought
process like krishna... These buggers keep instigating problems in our
country ...
A.M.BUTT usa 26 Apr, 2010 11:04 PM
His statements from day one are denied by him in the same fashion.Does
he remember the statement on kashmir
bhasha delhi 26 Apr, 2010 10:58 PM
Can someone set up SIT probe into Exile, Genocide and Ethnic cleansing
of Kashmiri HIndus (kashmiri pandits), which is continuing from
1990 ,hold State govt responsible for it and hold then CM farooq
Abdullah as accountable ?
Shubh Vadodara 26 Apr, 2010 10:36 PM
The BJP
Krishna Menon Kottayam 26 Apr, 2010 10:14 PM
Two days ago a Muslim Income Tax official entered into a Hindu temple
premises in Kerala without removing his shoes in the name of a raid.
Income Tax dept. has no business to raid a temple because a temple is
not a business firm. It does not make any profit. This Income tax
official is notorious.
Leon Oman 26 Apr, 2010 08:57 PM
All these shit politicians are basically liars with their own personal
agendas... A pity that my precious vote was used to elect such pigs as
those in BJP...
Aniruddha India 26 Apr, 2010 11:25 PM
You certainly did not vote for BJP sitting in OMAN. And the congrss is
a bigger pig that uses religion to dilute peoples votes and divide the
nation.
KRISHNA faridabad 26 Apr, 2010 08:02 PM
CAN THE SAME BBC MAKE THEIR GOVERNMENT REPLY WHY THEY KILLED MILLIONS
IN INDIA ANS ELSEWHERE IN THE WORLD IN NAME OF COLONIZATION,HOW MANY
SOCIETIES LIVING IN THEIR OWN REALM WERE DESTROYED BY THEM,WHO DID
OPIUM WARS,WHO ATTACKED IRAQ,WHO ARE THESE RACIST BARBARIANS TO TEACH
MORALITY TO US INDIANS.
T.V.Ramanarao Vijayawada,A.P. 26 Apr, 2010 07:52 PM
The pseudo secularists are not tired of blaming B.J.p. and the R.S.s.
whenever any communal clashes take place.they have got double
standards.If Modi had instigated the riots in Gujarat,many muslims
would not have voted for him in 2002,2007.He worked for the upliftment
of the muslims .unlike cong.
AJ Gurgaon 26 Apr, 2010 09:22 PM
What a joke!
Mohamed Arafath Bangalore 26 Apr, 2010 07:09 PM
Usual blame game. But BJP President is persistently blaming only the
Congress and not accepting its own mistake. Congress atleast did
accept it and took the required action (w.r.t JD Tytler). BJP is
creating a mockery of itself. After Atal Ji, BJP has lost its
maturity.
suleman india 26 Apr, 2010 05:59 PM
-skewed interpretation by media. Where did he say that congress is not
involved?
Indian World 26 Apr, 2010 05:49 PM
Mr. Gadkari, you and your party needs to sit on the minority side till
the party is completely dead. I would request that you give up your
post and shut the party...till you have local and national goons
running it.
Veer Sain USA 26 Apr, 2010 05:14 PM
Gadkari's interview is absolutely wishywashy. He is trying to say two
wrongs make one right. Media did not report him out of context but he
himself is out of context.
AJ Gurgaon 26 Apr, 2010 09:23 PM
Very true. He got caught in his own argument, and thats what resulted
in this "out of context"
Abhay Dang Hyderabad 26 Apr, 2010 05:12 PM
The
"shit"Khan 939 India 26 Apr, 2010 05:11 PM
Shame on you Mr Gadkari, being at such an high position and you are
still behaving like an illeterate. Why are you blaming others to hide
what is the past of your so called BJP.
funkyguy4u India 26 Apr, 2010 04:53 PM
Well, this is some serious shit I have rarely seen. TIMES OF INDIA
wake up!! Use something called 'spell check' before publishing the
news. :-)
JAGGA london 26 Apr, 2010 04:46 PM
Was Rajiv Gandhi not Involved in SIKH KILLING.?
AJ Gurgaon 26 Apr, 2010 09:26 PM
First you need to get some facts right. But if for argument sake, he
is, do two wrongs make one right? Are you saying that because you
think Rajiv Gandhi was a killer, so Modi is justified to be one too??
An absurd logic.
ravi bangalore 26 Apr, 2010 04:34 PM
how can shit be clean, use spell check
kailash Hyderabad 26 Apr, 2010 04:27 PM
It seems,as if BBC doesn't have enough knowledge about India.They
havent asked a single question about development programmes which BJP
has launched successfully during their regime.Ask your Prime minister
as to why he is asking for the veil to be taken off from muslim ladies
(Indians respect them).
tejesh new delhi 26 Apr, 2010 04:22 PM
its "clean chit"
V London 26 Apr, 2010 04:21 PM
Just wondering, did you mean clean "chit"
R Singapore 26 Apr, 2010 04:11 PM
NAGPUR: BJP president Nitin Gadkari on Monday said he has not given
any clean "shit"
S Kerlapur Bangalore 26 Apr, 2010 04:11 PM
Your report says "NAGPUR: BJP president Nitin Gadkari on Monday said
he has not given any clean <b>shit</b> to the Congress....."
DB Gurgaon 26 Apr, 2010 04:06 PM
Mr Gadkari is a simpleton, innocent person. He is not complicated as
the present-day politicians. So he has merely uttered whatever is in
his logical mind. And that is the truth. Governments never take part
in riots. It is only the corrupt politicians with vested ineterests.
Satish Bangalore 26 Apr, 2010 04:05 PM
BJP president Nitin Gadkari on Monday said he has not given any clean
shit to the Congress in the 1984 anti-Sikh riots.
Aravind Bangalore 26 Apr, 2010 04:03 PM
NAGPUR: BJP president Nitin Gadkari on Monday said he has not given
any clean 'shit' to the Congress in the 1984 anti-Sikh riots.
TomTom NCR 26 Apr, 2010 03:57 PM
Not expected this kind of errors from Time of India.....Nitin Gadkari
on Monday said he has not given any clean "shit"
Vinay Sinha Gurgaon 26 Apr, 2010 03:57 PM
"BJP president Nitin Gadkari on Monday said he has not given any clean
shit to the Congress in the 1984 anti-Sikh riots. ...."
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/I-was-misquoted-on-1984-riots-Gadkari/articleshow/5859532.cms
Nityananda admitted to hospital after chest pain
PTI, Apr 26, 2010, 11.12pm IST
Tags:ICU|Jayadeva Institute of Cardiology|Nityananda Swami
BANGALORE: Controversial self-styled godman Nityananda Swami, arrested
on rape and other charges, was admitted to a hospital here tonight
after he complained of "severe chest pain", hospital sources said.
Nityananda was taken to the government-run Jayadeva Institute of
Cardiology and was admitted in the ICU, the sources said adding, his
condition was stable.
"His condition is being monitored. The doctors will decide the future
course of action tomorrow morning," the sources said.
Earlier in the day, Nityananda was produced before a court at
Ramanagaram, about 40 kms from here, which extended his police custody
by two more days.
Nityananda's close aide Nitya Bhaktananda alias Seelam Reddy, who was
also produced in court, was remanded to 14 days' judicial custody.
The self-styled godman landed in a controversy last month after TV
channels telecast video footage purportedly showing him in a
compromising position with a Tamil actress.
Tamil Nadu police had registered cases for various crimes, including
rape, against Nityananda before transferring them to Karnataka.
Nityananada, who had been in hiding for over a month after his alleged
involvement in the sex scandal surfaced, was arrested along with four
others at Solan in Himachal Pradesh on April 21.
Nityananada and Nitya Bhaktananda, who were nabbed in a joint
operation by the police teams of Karnataka and Himachal Pradesh, were
brought to Bangalore the next day.
Rejecting the allegations against him, Nityananda had announced
recently that he would lead a life of "spiritual seclusion" and quit
as head of his ashram.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Nityananda-admitted-to-hospital-after-chest-pain-/articleshow/5861357.cms
No JPC probe into IPL, phone-tapping: PM Manmohan Singh
PTI, Apr 26, 2010, 08.02pm IST
Tags:IPL|
NEW DELHI: Prime Minister Manmohan Singh on Monday rejected Opposition
demand for Joint Parliamentary Committee probe into both the IPL
controversy and the phone-tapping issue on the ground that it was not
needed.
"JPC for what? This is not a fit case for JPC," Singh said when asked
about the Opposition demand for a JPC into the phone-tapping
allegation.
Asked whether the government had rejected the demand for a JPC on the
IPL issue, Singh said, "I don't think there is a need for a JPC. A JPC
is a very serious issue. We can't rush to such a conclusion in
haste."
He said Home Minister P Chidambaram had explained the phone-tapping
allegations in Parliament. "I had offered to come before Parliament
after 3:30 pm if there was a sitting, but there was restlessness," he
added.
Allegations of illegal telephone tapping on political leaders
disrupted both Houses of Parliament today although the Government
maintained it had not authorised any such activity nor it found any
substance in them.
"I wish to state categorically that no telephone tapping or
eavesdropping on political leaders was authorised by the previous UPA
government. Nor has the present UPA government authorised any such
activity," Chidambaram said in the Lok Sabha amid slogan shouting by
agitated opposition members. He made an identical statement in the
Upper House.
Both Houses were adjourned for the day as the Opposition showed no
signs of relenting.
Singh, who was speaking to reporters on the sidelines of a defence
investiture ceremony at Rastrapati Bhavan, also expressed confidence
over his government surviving the cut-motions on budgetary grants in
Parliament.
"We are as confident as possible," he said. "Of course, we are
confident," Congress President Sonia Gandhi, who was also present on
the occasion, said when asked about the Opposition threat to bring cut
motions against the Finance Bill.
To a query whether the government would be talking to SP and RJD
leaders on the cut motions, the Prime Minister said, "We seek the
support of all right thinking people."
BJP-led NDA and the 13-party grouping which includes four Left parties
have threatened to move cut motions demanding roll back of the recent
hike in petroleum and fertiliser prices.
On the prospects of meeting his Pakistani counterpart Yusuf Raza
Gilani in Bhutan on the sidelines of the SAARC summit, Singh said the
leaders would come together under one roof.
"Nothing is certain. If we come together at the same time, it is
inevitable you run into each other," he added.
Replying to a question on Afghan President Hamid Karzai's views on
Taliban, Singh said, "President Karzai is the best judge of what is
good for Afghanistan."
To another query on bringing Women's Reservation Bill in Lok Sabha, he
said his government was committed to bring the Bill before Parliament,
but the precise date would be finalised by the floor managers.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/No-JPC-probe-into-IPL-phone-tapping-PM-Manmohan-Singh/articleshow/5860553.cms
I am still IPL chairman, just suspended, tweets Lalit Modi
TNN, Apr 26, 2010, 07.38pm IST
Tags:Lalit Modi|IPL
I am still IPL chairman, just suspended: Lalit ModiNEW DELHI: Former
IPL commissioner Lalit Modi, who was unceremoniously dumped by the IPL
Governing Council, on Monday hit back on Twitter saying he is still
the chairman of IPL.
In what appeared to be a veiled threat, Modi broke his silence since
his late night suspension with yet another tweet.
Lalit Modi declared on Twitter, "Thank you all for your message of
support. It is really appreciated. I am still chairman of IPL. Just
suspended. Wait - we have just begun."
Unfazed by the controversy surrounding him, Lalit Modi wrote, "Had a
restful day. Been in the spa all day. Much needed rest.”
In one of his earlier tweets, Modi had threatened to expose all the
people who have tried to bring the game into disrepute.
Modi's latest tweets came on a day when the BCCI President Shashank
Manohar charged him with serious financial irregularities in the bid
documents of Rajasthan Royals and Kings XI Punjab and for rigging the
IPL bids of the two new franchises - Pune and Kochi.
The other charges included irregularities in the broadcast and
internet deals and his behavioral patterns for which he has been given
15 days to respond.
Articles
Modi must reply to charges in 15 days: BCCI
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/iplarticleshow/5860227.cms
No issues with Kochi, Pune franchise bids: BCCI
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/iplarticleshow/5860397.cms
I-T serves questionnaires to KR Sports, Gameplan
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/iplarticleshow/5860421.cms
I'm brand ambassador of Rajasthan Royals: Shilpa
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/iplarticleshow/5859957.cms
Modi out, Chirayu Amin appointed interim chief
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/iplarticleshow/5858910.cms
Blogs
IPL and the lynch mob mindset
http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/extraordinaryissue/entry/ipl-and-the-lynch-mob
http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indus-calling/entry/a-girl-is-burnt-again
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/I-am-still-IPL-chairman-just-suspended-tweets-Lalit-Modi/articleshow/5860481.cms
INDUS CALLING
A girl is burnt againTarun Vijay, 24 April 2010, 08:22 PM IST
On any scale of significance, is the burning alive of a helpless dalit
girl less important as a news story than the murky IPL concerning only
the rich and influential? Why we are seeing the scandalous people
every day on front pages and the girl’s murder by arrogant agents of
state power relegated to oblivion?
Five years ago, Gohana had happened. Now it’s Hisar. What I wrote on
Gohana was thus reported by PTI (http://tarun-vijay.blogspot.com/
2010/04/c.html).
And on Hisar the news report says: An argument between a dalit and a
jat over the former’s dog led to near-unbridled violence in a village
in Hisar district, which was tense throughout Thursday after an 18-
year-old physically challenged dalit girl and her father were burnt
alive on Wednesday. (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Two-
Dalits-burnt-alive-after-clash-over-dog/articleshow/5846407.cms).
Those who say they belong to a caste that’s higher than the other
Hindus are fossils. Like Khap people. The real low caste are those who
claim to be savarnas, or belonging to some kind of an upper caste. Who
gave them this right to call themselves ‘upper’ and the others
‘lower’? Those who say they are ‘upper caste’, in reality belong to
the lowest class of human values and they abuse their dharma, which
they say is Hindu.
Hisar must anger this nation, which is deeply engrossed in the IPL
mud. We have sham pillars of democracy that thrive on casteism and hot
money. Valmikis (dalits), tribal and other marginalized segments
together form the majority of this nation. Yet, they are pushed out of
every higher decision-making forum. Either they are hated and kept at
bay by a cartel of influential caste-based groups or patronized —
"well, you see they have to be accommodated, SC ko to lena hi padega
na ... mazboori hai". These are the clichés we often hear in the power
corridors. So-called dalit leaders are fake. They either consolidate
their base through the easy way of spreading poison for other castes,
using bad and strong language and aligning with deadlier elements of
Islamist groups who use them for undermining Hindu solidarity. None of
them have ever been seen helping their community through better
schools and providing healthcare and sanitation facilities in their
areas. Most of them learn to climb the stairs of political happiness
through subjugating the interests of their flock and licking the boots
of the political patrons.
I have seen an intrinsic hatred for the so-called low-caste people
among the best of sermonizers who otherwise wax eloquent on the need
of building a casteless society. I was abused, verbally assaulted by
those who mattered just for taking up the cause of my Hindu brothers
on the basis of what I have learnt in the RSS and hence got rid of my
caste identity from my name. They, the all so-called fake high-caste
conglomerate, would never allow a dalit girl’s burning taken up as a
challenge to the Hindu society and discussed threadbare on channels
and newspapers. Everywhere we see an abysmal absence of these
segments, more so in the media. The channels, so passionately
performing their duty on a Sania-Shoaib nikah or IPL-Tharoor masala,
keep a studied silence with cursory mentions on issues of atrocities
on dalits, especially on Valmikis.
In our daily life, the society intrinsically shows signs of hatred or
at best aloofness from those whom we despicably refer to as scheduled
castes and tribes. I know the arguments will be given how many
extraordinary benefits these segments are receiving at the cost of the
so-called higher castes. And even these castes have their poor who
are forced to do menial jobs due to poverty. My only response to all
these sham arguments is: "Try to live a day as an untouchable. Without
friends in the circles that rule, be unlisted, ignored or patronized,
always considered as ‘in becharon ko kuchh de do’ kind of people.
Always blamed for the lethargic work in the offices and no-
intelligence-just climbing up on crutches section. Then realize what
it means to be a Valmiki. To be economically poor is bad. But to be
poor and ‘untouchable’ is to be like a sub human. Choose."
The test of your large heartedness and all-inclusive behaviour lies in
self-introspection and not in quoting religious books advocating
harmony and equality. Don’t quote the Gita or the Ramayana to
Valmikis, they know what is written in it and what is not practised by
the eloquent preachers. Answer the following:
1. Have you ever tried to celebrate Diwali or Rakhi with those who
are called ‘untouchables’?
2. In your list of personal invitees, how many of these can be
considered as your friends and visit your place with family as
frequently as ‘others’?
3. In a puja or a family celebration do these ‘untouchables’ ever
sit with you and perform the rites with Panditji as naturally as
‘others’?
4. If your daughter wants to marry a person of her choice and that
happens to be a Valmiki, would you approve or disapprove?
5. Have you ever tried to know how these segments that have been
around you and your ancestors and were not treated as well as they
should have been, live their lives? Like the safai karamchari, whom
you see every day, and try to avoid a ‘touch’ with her? Do they send
their children to as good schools as you afford? And then do you also
join the chorus that the government has given them too many facilities
and the only sin that you have committed is to belong to a ‘higher
caste’?
6. Can you describe the thread or the element that makes you feel
that you belong to some sort of a higher caste and these, the ‘other’
people to a lower caste”?
7. Do you feel that the present-day pandit system, the priests’
order, needs a refreshing change and let the pujaris be more learned,
with a good knowledge of Sanskrit, must get higher and reasonably good
offerings (dakshina) and also the Valmiki youth, well trained and
groomed for the job, be inducted as priests in Haridwar and all other
temples and pilgrim centres? Let the opportunity to rise in society
through IT, medical education and also priesthood be open to all Hindu
sections without any caste-based discrimination?
8. How many ashrams, centres of spiritual rejuvenation and
religious retreats would have these Valmiki and tribal segments of the
society as devotees and as equal participants? Does it bother you if
you find they are scantily represented even if they outnumber your
castes?
9. Would you feel encouraged to ask a question to these high-profile
gurus and saints that how many times in the last 10 years have they
been to a Valmiki basti or have addressed a congregation for these
segments in tribal areas, bringing the dharma and culture’s
contemporary faces and flow to such areas also?
10. Have you ever thought that those who were declared outcastes by
our common ancestors deserve a better deal through you and lets visit
their house to see their condition and extend a hand of friendship,
just for the sake of it, even if no other help can be given, and this
act will not be an act of charity but a proactive action on part of
those ancestors of ours who must be regretting their illogical
behavior?
No offence intended indeed. Just try to hear the last cries of the
physically challenged girl for help who was burnt for no crime except
that she belonged to a caste, which the tehsildar didn’t.
Now, the last word for this piece.
The solution: produce more dalit journalists.
One of the better solutions to me is to help more and more youths from
dalit and tribal segments to join mainstream journalism without the
crutches of reservation. Have them trained in multimedia courses,
through various schools of journalism. I am on board of a national
university of journalism and can help. Even otherwise, would like to
help as many young friends as possible through a specially crafted
course and environment. I am sure friends will be there to help from
all quarters. But at least it will do wonders to fill a very wide gap
we see today. There is hardly any noticeable presence from these
segments in our channels, editors' groups and media houses. Why? Try
to find an answer without blaming them with a bullshit — oh, they
don't come up on merit.
INDUS CALLING
A girl is burnt againTarun Vijay, 24 April 2010, 08:22 PM IST
On any scale of significance, is the burning alive of a helpless dalit
girl less important as a news story than the murky IPL concerning only
the rich and influential? Why we are seeing the scandalous people
every day on front pages and the girl’s murder by arrogant agents of
state power relegated to oblivion?
Five years ago, Gohana had happened. Now it’s Hisar. What I wrote on
Gohana was thus reported by PTI (http://tarun-vijay.blogspot.com/
2010/04/c.html).
And on Hisar the news report says: An argument between a dalit and a
jat over the former’s dog led to near-unbridled violence in a village
in Hisar district, which was tense throughout Thursday after an 18-
year-old physically challenged dalit girl and her father were burnt
alive on Wednesday. (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Two-
Dalits-burnt-alive-after-clash-over-dog/articleshow/5846407.cms).
Those who say they belong to a caste that’s higher than the other
Hindus are fossils. Like Khap people. The real low caste are those who
claim to be savarnas, or belonging to some kind of an upper caste. Who
gave them this right to call themselves ‘upper’ and the others
‘lower’? Those who say they are ‘upper caste’, in reality belong to
the lowest class of human values and they abuse their dharma, which
they say is Hindu.
Hisar must anger this nation, which is deeply engrossed in the IPL
mud. We have sham pillars of democracy that thrive on casteism and hot
money. Valmikis (dalits), tribal and other marginalized segments
together form the majority of this nation. Yet, they are pushed out of
every higher decision-making forum. Either they are hated and kept at
bay by a cartel of influential caste-based groups or patronized —
"well, you see they have to be accommodated, SC ko to lena hi padega
na ... mazboori hai". These are the clichés we often hear in the power
corridors. So-called dalit leaders are fake. They either consolidate
their base through the easy way of spreading poison for other castes,
using bad and strong language and aligning with deadlier elements of
Islamist groups who use them for undermining Hindu solidarity. None of
them have ever been seen helping their community through better
schools and providing healthcare and sanitation facilities in their
areas. Most of them learn to climb the stairs of political happiness
through subjugating the interests of their flock and licking the boots
of the political patrons.
I have seen an intrinsic hatred for the so-called low-caste people
among the best of sermonizers who otherwise wax eloquent on the need
of building a casteless society. I was abused, verbally assaulted by
those who mattered just for taking up the cause of my Hindu brothers
on the basis of what I have learnt in the RSS and hence got rid of my
caste identity from my name. They, the all so-called fake high-caste
conglomerate, would never allow a dalit girl’s burning taken up as a
challenge to the Hindu society and discussed threadbare on channels
and newspapers. Everywhere we see an abysmal absence of these
segments, more so in the media. The channels, so passionately
performing their duty on a Sania-Shoaib nikah or IPL-Tharoor masala,
keep a studied silence with cursory mentions on issues of atrocities
on dalits, especially on Valmikis.
In our daily life, the society intrinsically shows signs of hatred or
at best aloofness from those whom we despicably refer to as scheduled
castes and tribes. I know the arguments will be given how many
extraordinary benefits these segments are receiving at the cost of the
so-called higher castes. And even these castes have their poor who
are forced to do menial jobs due to poverty. My only response to all
these sham arguments is: "Try to live a day as an untouchable. Without
friends in the circles that rule, be unlisted, ignored or patronized,
always considered as ‘in becharon ko kuchh de do’ kind of people.
Always blamed for the lethargic work in the offices and no-
intelligence-just climbing up on crutches section. Then realize what
it means to be a Valmiki. To be economically poor is bad. But to be
poor and ‘untouchable’ is to be like a sub human. Choose."
The test of your large heartedness and all-inclusive behaviour lies in
self-introspection and not in quoting religious books advocating
harmony and equality. Don’t quote the Gita or the Ramayana to
Valmikis, they know what is written in it and what is not practised by
the eloquent preachers. Answer the following:
1. Have you ever tried to celebrate Diwali or Rakhi with those who
are called ‘untouchables’?
2. In your list of personal invitees, how many of these can be
considered as your friends and visit your place with family as
frequently as ‘others’?
3. In a puja or a family celebration do these ‘untouchables’ ever
sit with you and perform the rites with Panditji as naturally as
‘others’?
4. If your daughter wants to marry a person of her choice and that
happens to be a Valmiki, would you approve or disapprove?
5. Have you ever tried to know how these segments that have been
around you and your ancestors and were not treated as well as they
should have been, live their lives? Like the safai karamchari, whom
you see every day, and try to avoid a ‘touch’ with her? Do they send
their children to as good schools as you afford? And then do you also
join the chorus that the government has given them too many facilities
and the only sin that you have committed is to belong to a ‘higher
caste’?
6. Can you describe the thread or the element that makes you feel
that you belong to some sort of a higher caste and these, the ‘other’
people to a lower caste”?
7. Do you feel that the present-day pandit system, the priests’
order, needs a refreshing change and let the pujaris be more learned,
with a good knowledge of Sanskrit, must get higher and reasonably good
offerings (dakshina) and also the Valmiki youth, well trained and
groomed for the job, be inducted as priests in Haridwar and all other
temples and pilgrim centres? Let the opportunity to rise in society
through IT, medical education and also priesthood be open to all Hindu
sections without any caste-based discrimination?
8. How many ashrams, centres of spiritual rejuvenation and
religious retreats would have these Valmiki and tribal segments of the
society as devotees and as equal participants? Does it bother you if
you find they are scantily represented even if they outnumber your
castes?
9. Would you feel encouraged to ask a question to these high-profile
gurus and saints that how many times in the last 10 years have they
been to a Valmiki basti or have addressed a congregation for these
segments in tribal areas, bringing the dharma and culture’s
contemporary faces and flow to such areas also?
10. Have you ever thought that those who were declared outcastes by
our common ancestors deserve a better deal through you and lets visit
their house to see their condition and extend a hand of friendship,
just for the sake of it, even if no other help can be given, and this
act will not be an act of charity but a proactive action on part of
those ancestors of ours who must be regretting their illogical
behavior?
No offence intended indeed. Just try to hear the last cries of the
physically challenged girl for help who was burnt for no crime except
that she belonged to a caste, which the tehsildar didn’t.
Now, the last word for this piece.
The solution: produce more dalit journalists.
One of the better solutions to me is to help more and more youths from
dalit and tribal segments to join mainstream journalism without the
crutches of reservation. Have them trained in multimedia courses,
through various schools of journalism. I am on board of a national
university of journalism and can help. Even otherwise, would like to
help as many young friends as possible through a specially crafted
course and environment. I am sure friends will be there to help from
all quarters. But at least it will do wonders to fill a very wide gap
we see today. There is hardly any noticeable presence from these
segments in our channels, editors' groups and media houses. Why? Try
to find an answer without blaming them with a bullshit — oh, they
don't come up on merit.
45 Comments |
SINI says:
April 24,2010 at 09:24 PM IST
First of all,thank you for giving such an importent and relevent
article.But sir,here we have so many people having full of love.I beg
you don't see everyone in same angle.I am sorry sir,my english is not
strong.if there is a mistake,parden me sir.
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Nikhil says:
April 24,2010 at 09:45 PM IST
Good article. we need at few thousand people more like you to uproot
this evil...
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Deep says:
April 24,2010 at 09:55 PM IST
While I agree with your view that things need to change i find your
solution utterly ridiculous. Giving dalits any preferential treatment
over other sections of society would only breed contempt against them.
What we need to do is to help all poor and backward in india (not just
dalits) anyone below the bpl should have a qouta in the best schools.
I say make it mandatory 33%(put caste qouta here if you wish although
i donot think its necesary).
Giving quota at university level will not help any one a person's
primary development is complete by the time they reach that stage
anyway. Hence we need to start as early as possible.
We call ourselves a secular nation but we favor these "lower
classes" (the ones who get qouta are quite rich and dont need it) any
chance we get.Does that sound right?
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Sharda Bhargav - The Confiscated Soul says:
April 24,2010 at 10:01 PM IST
Sir, you are right. Those who claim to be from upper caste, are
actually from lowest rung of human values. They need to be educated to
respect humanity.
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Krishna says:
April 24,2010 at 10:35 PM IST
i m of mixed heritage (so called high n low castes). n through my
personal experience, i believe a good way to promote social
integration n hindu-national unity is through inter caste marriages.
We could start with say- poor hindu people who marry harijan will also
get access to reservation facility. or something like that
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D.S.K. Avadhani says:
April 24,2010 at 10:39 PM IST
As I wrote earlier, the dalits & the poor (sometimes they are
synonimous)are getting the worst deal. The ones who are not allowing
them to come up to a better standard of living are (i) their own
leaders who are after politicasl power (as you have rightly mentioned)
and (ii) the creamy layer among them. These people can better thier
lot by themselves by choosing the right type of leaders and fight for
removal of the creamy layer from the list of benificieries.
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Priyank Panthari says:
April 24,2010 at 11:00 PM IST
Congrats Tarun! This is one of the most honest and straight to the
point commentary on plague called Casteism thats eating up our great
religion. I wish some of so called countless Gurus that have
mushroomed all over would dare and answer even some of this question.I
pray that a healthy debate begins and restore it to its old glory!
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Raunak Deshpande says:
April 24,2010 at 11:03 PM IST
Superb post!! I can feel the rage within you. Unfortunately, our
nation is full of hypocrites who prevent our nation from becoming a
caste-less society.
However, I personally do not agree with you view on quotas for these
untouchables in Education or government jobs. I mean the United States
have never had any quotas for Blacks in any field, and today they have
a black president. If they can do it without quotas why not us??
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Gunjan says:
April 24,2010 at 11:12 PM IST
wouldnt the solution be to find that gem of a dalit political leader
and let him or her show results as a PM or as a senior minister ?
Helps heal the mindset of both 'sides' - the so called 'upper caste'
who are denigrative of the 'lower castes' would see that merit exists
equally amongst all people and if given the right and fair
opportunities - they would shine as well as anyone else. The Valmikis
on the other hand would be able to claim their right to success with
this example without a bias.
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wd says:
April 24,2010 at 11:46 PM IST
Well said. I am not sure if Dalit journalists are the answer to the
solution, how are they going to be different than Dalit politicians.
After all female journalists didn't think it a Girl burned. The change
has to come from within from every Indian.
Sadly all the issue needs is a tweet from celeb on it for it to grab
attention.
Instead of answering all. 4 approve. 7 YES 8 know one.
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Ziauddin Shafi says:
April 25,2010 at 12:46 AM IST
When a Safai Karmachari needs a glass of water, he/she goes to a
Muslim home for he/she knows that only a Muslim would have the
humanity to offer him that without any second thoughts. Let the higher
caste hindus start their doctrinal cleansing by offering a clean glass
of water, a glass in which they themselves drink, to the safai
karmachari - then you may talk about Islamic extremists ganging up
with the Dalit leaders for whatever agenda that you may allege them
of. Answer a simple question: Do you find enough humanity in you to
offer a glass of clean water to a Dalit?
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(Reply to Ziauddin Shafi)- Gunjan says:
April 25,2010 at 09:15 AM IST
I will show you casteism amongst muslims that can shame even the
biased hindus. I know examples of ansaris vs syyeds and how ansaris
are considered the low end. I know shias who have told me that they
spit in the glass of water when they offer to sunnis.
So there - islam's theoretical argument of equality is only meant to
convince the downtrodden of hindus for conversion and not much else.
So, the glass isnt as clean as you think right ?
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(Reply to Ziauddin Shafi)- Indian_Hindu says:
April 25,2010 at 12:28 PM IST
First Muslims should learn how to treat the backward castes among
them. Their condition is worse than Hindu dalits. Whenever backward
Huslims demand their rights from forward caste Muslims you accuse them
of being agents of BJP and Israel. We Hindus will help our dalit
brothers, no need of anything from you.
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(Reply to Ziauddin Shafi)- Rajeev,punyabhumi Bharatvarsh says:
April 25,2010 at 04:20 PM IST
Zainuddin -please dont exaggerate the facts here.Yes there is a
condemnable caste oppression in rural India and this is accross
religions.
Also,please note that nowadays,the so called upper castes also apply
for Safai Karmchari jobs,as umemployment is very high , so you might
find that the Karmchari whom you gave a precious glass of water was
not a Dalit!
Lastly,I can see that changes are coming up but still we need more
Hindu spritual and religious leaders to urgently address this grave
issue.
Tarunji needs to be complimented for raising a very burning issue
which is not handled in a proper way by the externally controlled
media.
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(Reply to Ziauddin Shafi)- Yogesh Sharma says:
April 25,2010 at 04:11 PM IST
www.poemhunter.com/dr.yogesh sharma Sir I do not agree with your
views. If Muslims are so kind to Dalits than all the Hindu Dalits have
vanished from Pakistan and Bengladesh. Similarly in Kashmir Vally
Muslim have totally wiped out Hindu Dalit population. Where as Dalits
have been surviving with their Hindu brothers for thousands of years.
In Hindu majority states they have been enjoying all types of
reservations but in Muslim majority Kashmir there is no reservation
for Dalits or tribal s. In institutions run by Muslims like AMU or
Jamia there is hardly any reservation for dalits. Similarly Muslim
majority Kashmir has not seen any Dalit Chief Minister till date,
where as Hindu dominated states like UP, Rajisthan, Maharastra and
other states have seen a number of Dalit Chif Minister. Dalits are
safe only with the Hindu majority. With other religious groups even
there existence is endangered. In Kashmir you cannot see any
institution on the name of Dalit icons where as in Hindu dominated
they are in thousands. Haryana type of incidents happen due to some
evil elements and such elements are every where. Hindu dominated India
is ruled by a Sikh PM, Muslim Vice President, Dalit Women Lok Sabha
Chairperson, Foreign born Christian Women as the President of the
ruling party. Can such thing happen in any Muslim country or even in
Muslim majority Kashmir. Answer is big NO. This is the greatness of
Hinduism which is seen no where.
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(Reply to Ziauddin Shafi)- Krishna says:
April 25,2010 at 07:42 PM IST
Yes my dear Ziauddin, we do.
Although many may be misguided, many of us Hindus do see the oneness
amongst ALL beings (not discriminating using Varna or religious
beliefs)and live our lives accordingly.
We also every opportunity to lead by example, and speech where needed
and do not use every chance to put another faith down.
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(Reply to Krishna)- Ziauddin Shafi says:
April 26,2010 at 11:10 AM IST
Hurting any sentiments is not my purpose at all, for it is self-
defeating. And casteism is not related to religion, it is simply a
socio-politico-economic tool of oppression. Racism, classism, casteism
are there everywhere in the world, in one form or another. We just
need to be less oppressive, exploitative and aggressive, while
upholding the rights of all to live with honour & respect, thats all.
(Reply to Ziauddin Shafi)- Indian_Hindu says:
April 25,2010 at 10:39 PM IST
Given the treatment of Ahmadi Muslims by Sunnis, the hypocrisy of your
comment is clear.
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(Reply to Indian_Hindu)- premji jairam babaria says:
April 26,2010 at 12:32 PM IST
zainuddin you may be right but all hindus are not like that some
hindus are very good and some hindus are rogue.Casteism is sort of
reservation by which upper caste get benefits economically,socially
and politically that is true.Fanatics are in every religion who do not
understand what religion is.In villages those illiterate Hindus behave
in uncivilised way because they are illiterate and like animals more
violent.But there are good Hindus too who are human.Some historians
believe that Hindus have put weaker Hindus at border of their villages
and cities in order to directly avoid the assault of invaders who came
from central Asia as time passed these people became buddhist and
later on dalit.
(Reply to Ziauddin Shafi)- mk says:
April 25,2010 at 11:35 PM IST
where does hindu n muslim come in here. talking about discrmination,
go to any muslim country see how much discrimination is there against
non-muslims, where muslims and non-muslims are segregated, you better
not say anything.
Raj says:
April 25,2010 at 01:08 AM IST
Tarunji,I (a so called upper caste)was helped by one of Dalit
friend(who is now himself a topshot in a big company) in searching job
and was helped by him.
I fully agree with your points above.We need to ensure that not only
the measures like reservation etc to SC/ST are supported by upper
castes but also ensure that the Valmiki Samaj gets due recognition and
love from our Dharmic and spritual Gurus.After all without Valmiki -
would anyone have known the glory of Ram?
On realpolitik, today there are 3 groups of people:
1.who oppress the so called lower castes or the oppurtunists from so
called lower castes who would like to encash this sense of
victimisation
2.The people who would like to put caste oppression behind and work
towards an equal society.
3.People who would like to ensure that caste oppression perpetuates so
as to ensure intra-caste rivalry so that Hindu solidarity remains
fragile.
Its upto us Hindus whether we want to choose the right option no.2
above or chose the suicidal options 1 o 3 above.
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(Reply to Raj)- Deep says:
April 26,2010 at 09:01 AM IST
Hi Raj,
while i recognize that your personal experience with the issue has put
the rose colored glasses over your eyes but i implore you to think of
all the upper caste people below bpl do they not deserve our sympathy?
I have had many negative and positive experiences with qouta and am a
strong believer that it should only be for the destitute regardless of
the caste. Caste is a social issue and just because a dalit is an
engineer or doctor using qouta other castes will not start respecting
them. We need to change people's thinking which will only happen with
time. However throwing qouta at situation is definitely not an
acceptable solution. As i mentioned earlier it breeds contempt in
other castes as well acts as political ammo for demagogues.
For the sake of a peaceful nation we need to stop differentiating on
the basis of castes negative or positive.
Yatin says:
April 25,2010 at 03:05 AM IST
Not thought provoking, but it is the fact. This preclusion is what
concerns me the most and towards the solidarity of one nation. Honest
policing, speedy judiciary and more awareness and appropriate
publicity of rights to information could be a solution.
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ssmoorthy says:
April 25,2010 at 03:42 AM IST
I agree with Mr.Tarun Vijay.The problem is perpetuated by leaders by
reservations and identifying the people and the caste.Abolish Caste
system and reservations.Anybody can become a doctor or engineer or
politician so why not a priest?By the way most of the Upanishads and
Puranas are written by non-Brahmins.Original Hinduism had no caste
system.Good article!
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rhythm fadia says:
April 25,2010 at 03:43 AM IST
i agree with you, that the gap should be reduced...but the only way to
do is that the reservations should be according to the income rather
than just caste, coz most of people who actually benefit from these
reservations are rich backward class people than the truly poor
people...
sac says:
April 25,2010 at 04:04 AM IST
Very nice article Tarunji. But the problem is majority of Indians
don't know the basics of RSS and how gr8 work RSS is doing to remove
caste bias from India. For them and also for majority of communist
media, RSS is nothing but a Bhraminical organization. In a recent news
article congress blamed RSS and Jinnah for the partition ignoring the
fact that RSS always wanted a united Bharat.
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(Reply to sac)- AMAN 67 says:
April 25,2010 at 08:54 AM IST
The Bajrang Dal has played the same role in Gujarat as the Khaps have
played elsewhere. The Bajrang Dal is violently opposed to inter-caste
marriages. Why is the Bajrang Dal not expelled from the RSS if the RSS
are such champions of caste equality?
If the RSS are for casteless society, why is their political organ the
BJP completely dominated by the so-called upper castes?
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Avneesh Gupta says:
April 25,2010 at 04:45 AM IST
No comments/discussion posted yet !!! I have seen hundreds of comments
on LESS Serious issues than this. But, its painful to see how
insensitive and careless "the upper castes" are from our inner core to
think/discuss about this genuine issue. I have been studying this
issue for a long time, but never get a encouraging response. People
around us prefer to mum when It comes to the incrimination of our own
brothers.
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thinkagain says:
April 25,2010 at 05:06 AM IST
Finally! Good to see a columnist talk passionately, sincerely and
practically about a very real problem that lies at the root of our
moral failure as a society.Indeed those who feel the need to call
themselves superior due to accidents of birth are the ones who are
truly low.Excellent piece.Helped me recover from some of the truly
judgemental and small minded columns that we have been seeing
lately.Wish more people would write like this and tell us why and how
they have earned a right to talk about issues that should matter.
pravin says:
April 25,2010 at 05:08 AM IST
Tarunji,
A good article. This is something to ponder. Todays Media needs
leaders like you for it to be effective instruments of change.
Kamalesh Sharda says:
April 25,2010 at 06:28 AM IST
Well said Tarunji. Every incidence related to cruelty towards so
called lwer castes makes headlines around the World. Enemies of India
also use this rift for their own selfish ends. I suggest ban the words
which classify people into various categories; School curriculums
should include clear and correct subject matter to diffuse the
differences and find ways of creating level playing fields for all
citizens.
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Suresh says:
April 25,2010 at 06:46 AM IST
Good on you Tarun. I hope this thought provoking article is read fully
by all high caste readers and help shed their prejudices.
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ranjith says:
April 25,2010 at 10:18 AM IST
Very well written article. I congragulate author for comming up with
such a thought provoking article. I wonder most of the readers are
keeping mum on such an important isssue.
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Mehta says:
April 25,2010 at 10:40 AM IST
I have recommended in the past that, Singapore type lashing law be
passed in India. TOI never published the comments. The culprits are a
bunch of cowards who prey upon helpless children and women. Their
bodies sprayed with acid or other chemicals which either deform/
disable and/or kill them. There should be no mercy for such violent
culprits. These culprits eyes sprayed with "bhoot jolokia" chilli
pepper until they feel the pain. Should anyone feel this to be way out
of line then, try putting yourselves in the victims shoes.
premji jairam babaria says:
April 25,2010 at 01:54 PM IST
Casteim is racism ,recently it has been debated in international forum
where all countries met.In subtle sense casteism should be banned
legally and constituion should be amended to correct the wronged done
by casteim in the society as it divided the people and it is subtle
kind of reservation which is going on for ages by which higher castes
benefit in all the fields while lower castes are at the receiving end
in every way economically,socially and politically.This curse
hampering India`s integration as one country one people.
Gopi says:
April 25,2010 at 05:03 PM IST
Tarunji, why are the usual suspects from our side- m/s Togadia,
Singhal, Kishore & co are or why are they oh so quiet? I did not read
T trying to barge into Hissar as he tries when it relates to Muslims
or Christians? So, in fact, all sides have no clothes - sab naked hey.
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VENKATA KRISHNAN says:
April 25,2010 at 06:29 PM IST
I have lot of friends who happened to be born in so called dalits. We
dont see any difference. Some of them are doctors and computer
engineers. We will have food in their kitchen and they do same with
us. Atleast in Tamilnadu we dont see such cruel treatment to dalits
thanks of Periyar.
Ajay says:
April 25,2010 at 06:39 PM IST
Thank goodness....there is atleast someone who seems bothered by this
heartless butchery
rupal seth says:
April 25,2010 at 07:07 PM IST
a real shame...4 d country,d media n most importantly,4 humanity
Jagjit Singh Mukandpuri says:
April 25,2010 at 08:32 PM IST
We have to up root the social unequality from constitution and
polluted minds of many of Indians.The biggest national shame.
VIRAL says:
April 26,2010 at 12:12 AM IST
4. If your daughter wants to marry a person of her choice and that
happens to be a Valmiki, would you approve or disapprove?
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THE DAY THIS HAPPENS , AT THAT TIME WE CAN SAY THERE IS HOPE IN A
CASTELESS SOCIETY IN INDIA
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Yogesh Sharma says:
April 26,2010 at 05:27 AM IST
www.poemhunter.com/dr.yogesh sharma Sir I support the views expressed
by you. no body will support the killings of dalits. They are our dear
brothers. But here I want to add some points. For this type of hatred
Indian model of ugly secularism and vulgar social justice system is
also responsible. Due to this in our country virtually religion and
caste states have been made over the years. For example Kashmir is a
Muslim state, Punjab is a Sikh state, Nagaland and Mizoram are
Christian states, Haryana, a Jat state, Tanilnadu, for Dravids, UP and
Bihar are almost SC/Yadava/Kurmi/Muslim states, Maharashtra as Maratha
state etc..List can be stretched. Religion and caste are become state
protected subject due to ugly secular and vulgar social justice system
which add bitterness and hatred resulting Haryana type killings.
Social reformers are responsible for this division. They have
fabricated and spread thousands of years oppression theory dalits by
upper caste Hindus but the reality is this That Hindus have been very
brutally oppressed and torture by Muslims and Christians for
centuries. Leaders of schedule castes are also responsible for this
division and hatred for their dirty vote bank politics. You attend any
SCs gatherings they will also spread scorn and hatred for other
castes. They are also expert in misusing the different SC acts. As far
as marriages are concerned it is a personal subject but Hindus are
very liberal. Ambedkar had a upper caste wife. Jagjivan Ram had one
upper caste daughter in law. Ram Vilas Paswan has got one upper caste
wife. Large number of SC academicians and bureaucrats have upper caste
Hindu wives. Even caste system is there among Dalits. Upper caste
dalits like Jatavs, Paswans, Weaver, Washer-mans, Khatiks, Vanniars,
Panas, neo-Christians or neo Buddhists can not marry their daughters/
sons with lower castesdalits like Valmikis or doms. Upper caste dalits
also oppress the lower castes dalits. I have enough material but space
is limited.
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Vikram says:
April 26,2010 at 10:20 AM IST
I was one of your critics Tarun Vijay, but these last two artices
"Their millions and our millions" and this one have made me your fan.
Simply excellent.
There is no greater Dharma than Humanity.
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Shantanu Bhate says:
April 26,2010 at 03:39 PM IST
but isnt it ironical that the govt. on one hand talks of eradicating
the caste system, and on the other hand introduces caste based
reservations in education. shouldn't the reservations be given to
economically backward people from all sections of the society? what if
a poor student from so called 'upper caste' denied an opportunity
simply because he/she cannot pay the fees?
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Sandeep Shrivastwa says:
April 26,2010 at 03:46 PM IST
a profession (journalism)where there's a passion for masala..and for
an organisation (TOI)where there's greater emphasis on marketing than
journalism.....Sir, plz don't expect anything better than
this...things which make money will always lead as d lead story.
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http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indus-calling/entry/a-girl-is-burnt-again
THE SIEGE WITHIN
Mayhem on the Orient Sexpress
M J Akbar, 25 April 2010, 03:47 AM IST
Those who are still in a state of puzzled excitement over the
denouement of the most exhilarating melange of soap opera and crime
thriller to appear in the Indian media, have clearly never read Agatha
Christie’s classic 'Murder on the Orient Express'.
Or seen Albert Finney and Peter Ustinov as Hercule Poirot in the film
and TV versions. Poirot’s priceless grey cells went into overdrive and
overtime seeking the murderer, who had to be one of the dozen
passengers on this fabled train. But those grey cells never failed:
they hit upon the startling truth. Everyone was guilty.
As is everyone in the IPL mystery. Everyone knew what was going on,
from Mauritius-funding to insider-betting to coke-and-company parties.
Silence was purchased by the allotment of some direct or indirect
slice of the expanding pie. Omerta, the silence of the wolves, is not
imposed by the capo di capo’s dictatorship. It is induced by a
variation of the Marxist dictum: from each according to ability, to
each according to greed.
The fictional Poirot was looking for facts; Delhi is looking for
scapegoats. Neither process is easy, but the second is harder.
Scapegoats have this unnerving tendency to breed an heir just before
sacrifice; you’ve barely got through one, and another is required for
the chopping block. Some of them might squeal sharply on the way to
the butcher’s block, or, if their voice has been gagged, send an email
technically disguised by anonymity. A know-it-all like Lalit Modi is
always more likely to use his knowledge to destabilize than to trot
off obediently towards oblivion. He will not drown alone. If he takes
Cabinet ministers down with him, he threatens the stability of the
Union government, although not its existence.
Governments do not commit suicide deliberately, although they may do
so accidentally. Nor do you break your second leg in revenge if the
first one is hobbling. Politicians, therefore, will make every effort
to shift investigation from clarity to obfuscation through a
smokescreen of brazen half-truths, thin justifications and, in some
case, in-your-face lies. The wobble in the ruling alliance is larger
than Sharad Pawar's NCP. There are southern franchise holders with
persuasive powers, and no group is more easily persuaded than the DMK.
The most useful weapon in the politician’s armoury is public amnesia
about yesterday's news, replaced by fresh reports that emerge from the
baking oven of information, accusation and speculation. An early
exclusive revealed that an unnamed Cabinet minister had summoned Kochi
franchisees and offered them the choiceless choice: fall in line, or
else. Where is that once earth-shattering story now? Ask not — or
else.
The merit of finance minister Pranab Mukherjee's decision to order
financial sleuths into the fray will be tested by the next step.
Mukherjee’s handling of the crisis has been mature and exemplary, but
how much can he do with the facts in his files? So many roads lead to
colour-neutral havens of alchemy, where black money turns into white
at the nod of an accountant's pencil. Mukherjee has an opportunity to
clean up more than the IPL, and challenge corruption in the private
sector. But that cannot be his decision alone.
The political-comprador alliance atop IPL is hoping fervently for the
onset of information-fatigue, when the story fades from screen, print
and public consciousness. But that may take time, for there hasn't
been a story like this in six decades, so utterly rich in sex, sleaze
and superstars. There is money, nepotism, ministers, molls, models,
alcohol and parties where big boys play at night, as the Pakistan
cricket hero Imran Khan once reminded us through a famous T-shirt. You
have inside-dealers, high-rollers, back-stabbers, whistle-blowers,
gambling rings and international betting rackets. In the camera
lights, histrionic celebrities chase one another with snide remarks or
hurt feelings; in the shadows, there are whispers about underhand pay-
offs to the holiest names in the litany of cricket. There is some
genuinely innovative cricket thrown in as well. How could the media
resist turning such explosive ingredients into the most volatile
Molotov cocktails in memory? On the evening of the first IPL semi-
final, the news reports were arguably far more interesting than the
match. It is only a matter of time before movies come tumbling out of
such masala. Look forward to 'Lagaan’ on hormones and 'Sholay’ in
designer suits. Kitney paise thhey, Kaalia?
Cynics have called IPL a circus. When you buy a ticket to the circus
you get clowns along with lion-tamers, while trapeze artistes inspire
the cheerleaders. But it does become a curious extravaganza when you
can't tell the difference between who is who.
This much is certain: Shashi Tharoor was not the end of the story. He
was the beginning of a serial.
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Tushar Sood says:
April 25,2010 at 06:26 AM IST
IPL is no more a Competitive Sport, its an Entertainment more likely
to be compared to WWF. Everyone just wants entertainment. Its a
perfect Substitute to movies.Entertaining Outside Fake inside!!!
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S R Chari says:
April 25,2010 at 06:35 AM IST
The best combination indeed--the FM and the HM to crack the IPL CAT!!
But foremosst job will be to start an all new journey NOT
concentrating on one person and politicians.This new pair CAN show the
way and we have high hopes. I am reminded about the Satyam Story where
the Govt wisely revived the whole set up----one in the whole world!!
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Sharda Bhargav - The Confiscated Soul says:
April 25,2010 at 10:33 AM IST
Sir, thanks to Sh Shashi Tharoor to begin a story. But where most are
guilty, who will bring out the guilt. Who will take action against the
guilty. Appears this story may fade into oblivion in foreseeable
future without casting any imprssion on time.
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rohitchandavarker says:
April 25,2010 at 11:27 AM IST
M(an)O(f) D(angerous)I(ntent)has become a W(eapon)of M(aximum)
D(amage)to the establishment of cricket & politics.The shrewd mix of
cricket & entertainment or cricketaintment called the IPL has turned
into a intoxicating mix with a generous dollop of politics thrown
in.The emerging concoction is laced with spicy sleaze,condiments
called corruption & marinated by moolah.Unfortunately the brew is
unpalatable to one & all.The strategy of making Modi a scapegoat is
fraught with danger as he is bound to pull quite a few biggies along
with him on his way down.With the passage of the Finance Bill in a
spot of bother,the Cong can ill afford the luxury of rubbing its
recalcitrant allies the wrong way.So smoking the peace pipe & letting
the cauldron on slow boil is the best case scenario.A
'amicable'settlement followed by photo ops & a rap on the knuckles
along with a hypocritical commitment to let law take its course & the
guilty will be punished blabber will ring the curtain down on the
Great Indian IPL tamasha.All's well that ends well.
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Ziauddin Shafi says:
April 25,2010 at 11:30 AM IST
If you want to damage any business, bring it down to mediocrity from
its high-flying perch, throw in a Malyali or a Marxist and he is sure
to oblige you with his naivete and go on dutifully to upset the whole
bandwagon. By the way, nobody is interested in sex in the IPL - for
the most sexiest thing going on there is the exposure of dirty moolah.
Shashi Tharoor is a good orator - let him be just that and nothing
more. Moreover, the naivete of this guy is enormous - he had the gal
of going against the wishes of Narender Modi - man you gotta be jokin'
Mathew says:
April 25,2010 at 11:39 AM IST
Well said. We Indians need the IPL for pure summer fun, despite all
the muck beneath.
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Bhujangadev Tumuluri says:
April 25,2010 at 12:00 PM IST
Beautiful analysis, hitting it on the nail, sumptuous for those greedy
for facts
Ashok says:
April 25,2010 at 12:24 PM IST
Beautifully and most aptly put. One thing is however certain. Truth
will never come out. You have a party at centre which 'fortunately'
has the vast experience of having managed bofors scandal, a crowning
achievement like none other. All the politicians, thugs, mafia dons,
wheeler dealers, sleaze masters who had a share in the pie have a
sound reason to feel reassured that they have a party running the
govt. at the centre with its vast and proven experience to manage such
scandals. Is it not a blessing of sorts that the original ring masters
are once again at the helm of the affairs of the Govt. to offer their
services to the nation? And after managing this one, India can go out
and offer to the peoples of the world a 'World Government of
Corruption'
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Ramesh says:
April 25,2010 at 12:32 PM IST
MJ is the best. This piece sums up the IPL events.
He forgot the underworld don.
I missed him when i was in US for 10 years
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Ammar says:
April 25,2010 at 12:37 PM IST
Excellent!
Taral Prakash Bhatt says:
April 25,2010 at 12:54 PM IST
While the author has mentioned about the public amnesia the powers
that be have already resorted to the other trick: that of diverting
people's attention to other issue; that of Phone tapping. Lets see how
useful it proves to be. If it succeeds to divert people's attantion
the political class will well have achieved its objective, at least
partially.
Aravind says:
April 25,2010 at 12:56 PM IST
Excellent journalism. Let us hope for the best at the end! Keep it
up.
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Manish kumar says:
April 25,2010 at 01:03 PM IST
There is some genuinely innovative cricket thrown in as well, so the
player's and viewers joy must not be compermised. The IPL need not
necessarily be a family run business also.
Akhil says:
April 25,2010 at 01:25 PM IST
Very true. Shashi Tharoor was just the initial scapegoat. If Sharad
Pawar and Praful patel are next, the government will fall. It remains
to be seen what Madam Sonia will do next.
Raghu says:
April 25,2010 at 01:28 PM IST
I simply love how MJ puts it. He is absolutely right when he refers to
the 'amnesia' of our polity and the news reports cornering more TRPs
than even the IPL semifinals. But how to convert this into a non-
issue. It is easy. Just draw a bigger line on the side. This will look
smaller. The fun is that that everytime this is done, the line gets
bigger and bigger.
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premji jairam babaria says:
April 25,2010 at 01:47 PM IST
excels in exposing the hidden sides of the contentious issues.The
cuplprit is one or many?This is the question.
drnaidu says:
April 25,2010 at 01:51 PM IST
excellently written,so ubiquitous ,not apinful not soothening but
thought provoking that is great akbar saabs style,the true quintential
of indianness and intricuaceis are nicely melted ,kuddos and keep it
up
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VPD says:
April 25,2010 at 02:07 PM IST
This is a realy good plot for Ramu to make film.
Sudipto Mukherjee says:
April 25,2010 at 02:29 PM IST
Dear Mr. Akbar, excellently written, your command over the langauge is
commendable. And the last bit on Tharoor being the first episode in
the serial is the cherry on the cake!
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syed maqsood hussain says:
April 25,2010 at 02:40 PM IST
DOES IPL & WOMANIZING LEADS TO UNITED NATION MR. SHASHI ??? SECOUNDLY
FROM DRUG TRAFFICING TO FAST MAKING MONEY MACHINE OF IPL NOW THE
CURRENT CHAIRMAN LALIT "LALCHI MODI" EXPOSED
THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD SACK HIM AND CONFISICATE HIS WHOLE PROPERTY
WHICH HE POSSESS FROM ILL GOTTEN MONEY.
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(Dr.) B.N.Anand says:
April 25,2010 at 02:40 PM IST
Sir
Yes, another view of the IPL with regard to the genius of Mr. Lalit
Modi. I still can not comprehend as to why everyone is after Lalit
Modi's blood? Mr. Shahshi Tharoor had to go as he was a Minister in
the cabinet and still asking favours from Lalit Modi in order to
promote the business prospects of a friend. What is Modi's fault?
After all, no one can deny that IPL could reach the heights of its
popularity around the world and could acquire the acronym of BRAND
INDIA in the sport world because of the management skills one person.
All the members of the governing council of IPL basked in the glory of
of IPL success as one man worked nearly 22 hrs a day.So what wrong did
Mr. Modi do to ask for this hue and cry from everyone from govt. to
media? Mr. MJ Akbar is very right that if Mr. Modi gets drowned in the
frenzy, he will not be alone. May be he has many skeletons in his
cupboard. He is not a dummy and is much intelligent person than most
of the dumb ministers and politicians. Let BCCI not kill the goose
that helped in laying golden eggs.
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Yugesh Shukla says:
April 25,2010 at 04:11 PM IST
IPL has become a surface reflection of Nation's subconscious
personality,It is not about individuals on the stage but evolution of
country from being the "beacon of hope to mankind" in 1947 to being
the scorn "laughing stock" of world in 2010.
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vaidy says:
April 25,2010 at 04:27 PM IST
Should BCCI be re-named as Board of Crooks of Cricket in India?
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prodeep says:
April 25,2010 at 04:47 PM IST
rightly said mr.Akbar Loose the battle begin the war some thing like
this actually took place with shashi tharoor.mr.pranab mukherjee did
the job of a mature interventionist which was certainly exemplary
&commendable.now how much well his financial sleuths can delve deep
and clinch the vital evidence is the universal concern of each one of
us .if allowed to have his say and a backup of good number of
politicians.mr.mukherjee then faces a herculean task in that he has to
inch his acumen in dealing with rampant corruption in govt-private
sector.if he can lower the corruption rate An elusive,yet an essential
target by 1 percent every month likewise a 12percent decrease in
corruption rate.his &party,s austerity drive shortlived because of
resentment from peoples representatives in the house.mr.Akbar has been
forthright in his expressive out of turn.
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Ziauddin Shafi says:
April 25,2010 at 04:52 PM IST
If you want to damage any business, bring it down to mediocrity from
its high-flying perch, throw in a Malyali or a Marxist and he is sure
to oblige you with his naivete and go on dutifully to upset the whole
bandwagon. By the way, nobody is interested in sex in the IPL - for
the most sexiest thing going on there is the exposure of dirty moolah.
Shashi Tharoor is a good orator - let him be just that and nothing
more. Moreover, the naivete of this guy is enormous - he had the gal
of going against the wishes of Narender Modi - man you gotta be jokin'
Ashok Gupta says:
April 25,2010 at 04:59 PM IST
IPL is or was more of an amusement/ exitement/ entertainment. And
accordingly everything attached to these like Mafia/ Sex/ politics/
Betting/ Parties/ Match fixing had to be there, because billions were
changing hands .
This may be liitle new to Cricket as sport but in many other sports
like Boxing( Apne Style)it is quite common.
This kind of amusement have been happening over thousand of years like
Bull Fighting/ Cock Fighting/ Kite Flying/
Wrestling, for the enjoyment of the common man and the Kings as well.
WHY GOVT IS TAKING THIS SO SERIOUSLY?
AS LONG AS IT IS NOT AFFECTING COUNTRY'S INTERNAL / EXTERNAL (ECONOMIC
AND MILITARILY )SECURITY GOVERNMENT SHOULD NOT GET UNDULY WORRIED. ON
THE CONTRARY THEY SHOULD TAX EVERYTHING INVOLVED AND GENERATE REVENUE
FOR THE WELFARE OF THE COMMON MAN.
In any case, nothing will come out of the enquiry commities, because,"
HAMAM MEI SUB NANGE HAIN"
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Yugal says:
April 25,2010 at 06:15 PM IST
Excellent read, old man gets better with time!
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IS says:
April 25,2010 at 06:29 PM IST
MJ forgets a simple fact - cricket is to Indians what the games were
to the ancient Romans. We channel our sorrows, our pains, our daily
humiliations into excitement for the game.
It is this, not forgetfulness, that will be the nemesis of this
investigation. Taking cricket away from Indians is like taking the
nipple from a hungry infant. We don't care about the sleaze, the
corruption as long as we are getting our dose of cricket. In fact, for
many, the sleaze and the corruption is entertainment if not
aspirational.
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Sanjay Rawat says:
April 25,2010 at 07:26 PM IST
Interesting....
sushil says:
April 25,2010 at 08:23 PM IST
If i remember rightly, IPL was introduced with the motto of providing
exposure to unprevileged and budding criketers and above all as a
measure to avoid the repeated humiliating Defeats(thats what the media
says at that time).....end result? IPL turns out to be a money churner
and IPLGATE happen.The idea /Pupose have been defeated, Modi, Tharoor
are insignificant names, there is rot somewhere deep within! Has it
become our culture or is it our education system that has failed to
produce citizens of charachter! Who will judge?we are all party to it!
Viveck shankar says:
April 26,2010 at 10:42 AM IST
we rue the loss of innocence. But then arent we to blame ourselves.
Profit has been the measure of growth and in the pasy few years the
reigning dictum is that end justify the means. That IPL has been an
grand success is beyond doubt. what has suddenly jolted us is the fact
that even cricket is involved in the murky world of immoral
transactions. But to my mind anyone who has been following cricket
must at best understand that cricket as much we would have liked it ,
was never a sacred cow. That thongs have come out in open is good for
the game. Atleast we are aware that the business of cricket is not so
clean after all. Further why do we digress from the main issue at
hand..this country still needs quality reportong on poverty, the
consistent maoist and insurgent threats. We can at best ignore this
and start asking questions that really matter to us .. and to our
country
Sarwar says:
April 26,2010 at 12:34 PM IST
MJ, many have written on this hungama but, none have come close to
your perpicacity about the whole thing. Very clever indeed.
prodeep says:
April 26,2010 at 02:16 PM IST
since my childhood i went along with my father to watch the calcutta
football league .the mohun bagan,east bengal club,mohammedan sporting
club matches.my father was a die hard fan of east bengalclub i
remember when mohd.Hanif scored a goal or Bhaskar(Nimai)ganguly saved
a goal my father use to jump of his seat clapping with raised
arms.karmakar ,shyam thapa,cheema okerie was then a overseas player
and later on many such overseas players joining the calcutta football
league in india bringing in overseas players for their team so the
trend was set then. there was football league matches in
calcutta.buying players on contract every season some joining from one
club to another.use to hear that this player is the highest paid
footballer so on.so its not the brainchild of modi to start league
matches in india concept of league existed much before the advent of
IPL.that fervour,is not there in IPL despite its glam and glitterIPL
will slowly turn into a set up of pigmented color patches.
BKS says:
April 26,2010 at 02:53 PM IST
How the whole media is glued to IPl the circus of clowns of nonplayers
who has hijacked the agenda of cricket itself making it moneyspinning
for betting,entertainment shows,moneylaundering,political
comarderie&blackmail.Modi is surely a ginius of making a gentleman
game of the cricket last refuge of scoundrels....
roopashree says:
April 26,2010 at 03:24 PM IST
IPL SURE IS FUN DESPITE THE MUCK INVOLVED. ARE YOU LISTENING
MODI??????????????
roopashree says:
April 26,2010 at 03:25 PM IST
good one
http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/TheSiegeWithin/entry/mayhem-on-the-orient-sexpress
...and I am Sid Harth