Krishnarao Gore - A name from the past

[naniwadekar]

Source - Dr B R Dhekne's note on the artist in Govindrao
Tembe's Marathi book : 'Maajhaa Sangeet-Vyaasang'.

Krishnarao Gore (no relation to Al, pronounced 'goray')
joined Kirloskar Natak Mandali in 1892. His year of birth
is not known. The nature of his work in the '90s is also
not known but he must have taken first steps to stardom
in this decade. In 1904, Gore moved to 'Swadesh-hit-chintak
NaaTak MandalLii'. He was back with Kirloskar banner from
1912 to 1920. In 1921, he founded Lok-sevak Natak
Mandali. But it was dissolved in 1922 whereupon Gore
joined 'Yeshwant Sangeet Mandali'. Upto 1933, he used to
act for Hirabai Barodekar's Company. Then he joined the
film world for a brief period; he played Gautam's role in
the film 'Patit Paawan' (urf Ahilyoddhar) in 1933
opposite Durga Khote's Ahilya. Prof B R Deodhar scored
music for the film. (This information comes courtesy Har
Mandir Singh 'Hamraaz's' Hindi Film Geet Kosh.) Then he
settled in Wai, near Pune, and died on 08 June 1940.

I don't know whether Gore's voice has been archived but
chances are good that it was. Gore's female roles had
begun to shine brightly just before Bal Gandharva set out
to create his legend. Gore was known for clear diction
and singing which was limited in scope but still very
impressive. The crispness of his voice and delivery had
set benchmarks. He had first made mark in Shri Kru
Kolhatkar's 'Mook-naayak' in Sarojini's role; later he
excelled in the male role of Vikrant. His songs in
Charudutt's role received praise. But, above all, Gore's
name and memory are linked with the role of Shukracharya
in 'Vidyaharan'. Even Gandharvaabhimaanii diehards used
to accept that his role of Shukracharya stole the thunder
from the all-conquering duo of Tembe and Gandharva.


- dn

[Manohar Bodas]

Post by naniwadekar
Source - Dr B R Dhekne's note on the artist in Govindrao
Tembe's Marathi book : 'Maajhaa Sangeet-Vyaasang'.
. But, above all, Gore's
name and memory are linked with the role of Shukracharya
in 'Vidyaharan'. Even Gandharvaabhimaanii diehards used
to accept that his role of Shukracharya stole the thunder
from the all-conquering duo of Tembe and Gandharva.
- dn

***Dhenubaba has nicely avoided to tell us who wrote Vidyaharan. When
did Gore act in this play?? Was it Gandharva Natak Mandli? Where were
Gandharv and Tembe that time. Are you moving backward in time arrow?
or just telling something like Ram Rangi.
Dhenubaba does not know if Gore had any physical impairment.

Dhenubaba's mental impairment... well less said better.

MB

[naniwadekar]

Vidyaharan - When did Gore act in this play??
Was it Gandharva Natak Mandli?

Dhekne's note on Krishnarao Gore does not hint at Gore's
association with Gandharva Naatak Mandali.

Both musicindiaonline.com (MIO) and chembur.com have profiled
Bakhale and Tembe; the profiles draw on sources well known
to readers perusing this post. The profiles mention who wrote
Vidyaharan. Both Bakhale and Tembe are credited as composers
for Vidyaharan. According to Vamanrao Deshpande's introduction
to Tembe's Marathi book 'Maajhaa Sangeet-Vyaasang', Tembe
composed tunes for some songs in Vidyaharan; for other songs,
actors were left free to choose tunes for their songs. I will have
to check whether Sudhir Datar and Shaila Datar's two-cassette
tribute to Bhaskarbuwa (whose grand-son Sudhir is) includes
any song in Vidyaharan. Shaila Datar's comprehensive biography
of Bhaskarbuwa is sure to shed some light on the matter but
I don't have access to it.

In passing, I may remark that google yields pitifully few hits
for matters related to Marathi Natya-sangeet.
Krishnaji Prabhakar Khadilkar : 17 hits.
Sahir Ludhianvi : 2,960
Elvis Presley : 1,150,000


- dn

[Animesh Kumar]

Post by naniwadekar

Vidyaharan - When did Gore act in this play??
Was it Gandharva Natak Mandli?

Dhekne's note on Krishnarao Gore does not hint at Gore's
association with Gandharva Naatak Mandali.
Both musicindiaonline.com (MIO) and chembur.com have profiled
Bakhale and Tembe; the profiles draw on sources well known
Vidyaharan. Both Bakhale and Tembe are credited as composers
for Vidyaharan. According to Vamanrao Deshpande's introduction
to Tembe's Marathi book 'Maajhaa Sangeet-Vyaasang', Tembe
composed tunes for some songs in Vidyaharan; for other songs,
actors were left free to choose tunes for their songs. I will have
to check whether Sudhir Datar and Shaila Datar's two-cassette
tribute to Bhaskarbuwa (whose grand-son Sudhir is) includes
any song in Vidyaharan. Shaila Datar's comprehensive biography
of Bhaskarbuwa is sure to shed some light on the matter but
I don't have access to it.
In passing, I may remark that google yields pitifully few hits
for matters related to Marathi Natya-sangeet.
Krishnaji Prabhakar Khadilkar : 17 hits.
Sahir Ludhianvi : 2,960
Elvis Presley : 1,150,000

Did u try Krishna jee and Krishna ji, Prabhaakar etc variants? that may help

best regards
Animesh

Post by naniwadekar
- dn

[naniwadekar]

Post by Animesh Kumar

Post by naniwadekar
In passing, I may remark that google yields pitifully few hits
for matters related to Marathi Natya-sangeet.
Krishnaji Prabhakar Khadilkar : 17 hits.
Sahir Ludhianvi : 2,960
Elvis Presley : 1,150,000

Did u try Krishna jee and Krishna ji, Prabhaakar etc variants?
that may help

Yes, variants may bring up 4-5 more hits for poor Khadilkar.
But if I try variants for Elvis, too, like 'elviis' or 'aelvis' or 'pelvis',
his number will soar towards a billion mark. <g>

- dn

[Manohar Bodas]

Post by naniwadekar

Vidyaharan - When did Gore act in this play??
Was it Gandharva Natak Mandli?

Dhekne's note on Krishnarao Gore does not hint at Gore's
association with Gandharva Naatak Mandali.

*** our dear friend has broken his promise. He had vowed not to
respond to my my posts but Dhenubaba's Maun is gone. What is the
reason. He has been exposed again. If one has to depend on Google
only, the information can be limited. Especially about Indian Music.
There are other resources, How ever this Piggy Baby has only one book.
No wonder he gets caught often, so he becomes very creative. The
glaring example is about Bhajan Ram Rangi Rangale. He calls it Ram
Rangi Rangeele. No wonder hw does not understand the the difference
between Rangale and Rangeele, There are many many more such things.
Only Dhenubaba can do it

Post by naniwadekar
any song in Vidyaharan. Shaila Datar's comprehensive biography
of Bhaskarbuwa is sure to shed some light on the matter but
I don't have access to it.

Do you want it? I can mail it. I have it.

Dhenubaba this book is easily available also. You have to spend money.
Your brown nosing will not help.Or else read on:

I hope you did not waste too much of time
in searching that information. What else are you looking for?
Red Nipples, maybe? Please don't waste your time. I am
here to help. Most google-hits for 'red nipple' involved female
breasts. I know that is not what you want. I widened the search
to 'red nipples milk bottle'. Still there was no stopping breasts
from popping up. Deep down the list, there was this link which
you might find useful :
http://www.babies-shopping.com/Babies-Bottles-p-d-Babies-Bottles-1.asp

Have fun. No nipple looks more handsome than the red ones.
Every time you are in censorious mood, start suckling until
the nasty impulse goes away

MB

[naniwadekar]

Post by Manohar Bodas
*** our dear friend has broken his promise. He had vowed not to
respond to my my posts but Dhenubaba's Maun is gone.

Manoo - I had only told you not to expect any expressions
of endearment from me for some time.


Re. Vidyaharan - Vamanrao Deshpande must have been told
by Govindrao Tembe himself that he did not compose all
songs in it. But I wonder why artists were allowed to choose
their own tunes for other songs. One would expect the
'management team' to verify quality of their product and
thus be responsible for it.

- dn

[Manohar Bodas]

Post by naniwadekar

Post by Manohar Bodas
*** our dear friend has broken his promise. He had vowed not to
respond to my my posts but Dhenubaba's Maun is gone.

Manoo - I had only told you not to expect any expressions
of endearment from me for some time.
Re. Vidyaharan - Vamanrao Deshpande must have been told
by Govindrao Tembe himself that he did not compose all
songs in it. But I wonder why artists were allowed to choose
their own tunes for other songs. One would expect the
'management team' to verify quality of their product and
thus be responsible for it.
- dn

You have changed a bit I can see. How long will it last?? to be seen.

But go ahead with your creative posts.

MB

[Manohar Bodas]

Post by naniwadekar
Re. Vidyaharan - Vamanrao Deshpande must have been told
by Govindrao Tembe himself that he did not compose all
songs in it. But I wonder why artists were allowed to choose
their own tunes for other songs.

Well this time Govindrao was the Malak. He thought he should not
compose any songs and let others do it to have a bit of diversity. How
ever what turned out was different. The continuity was lost. The
compositions were good but too Bhardust for Marathi Sangit Natak.

Devyani's songs did not become popular but Kach's did and so also
Rasika. Vidyaharan has more Urdu Chali, Dadra, Kanadi chali than
Manapman.

For example Kach's song,Sursukhkani is pure Kanadi of original 'Varmul
Sakhi'.This became popular. It was apt for Organ. The swars are like
blocks.

Madhumadhura Tav gira. ( Meaning unknown) Original Goharjan Thumri is
Tan mun ki sudh Visar gai.

The song Dhanvar Virhit should have gone to Balgandhrv. He with his
midas touch he would have turned it in to gold, but since it went to
Rasika's part who was secondary person.It did not click.

Another one is Bhas Mala is pure urdu style. (Balmuje Sadi Gulabi)
There was no scope to sing much.

Jinkite te Jagi not much scope again. They were ok to listen but did
not make any long term effect.

KaviBala dadra was also nice but not much consistency.

How ever Shukracharya had really good ones. Ahankar Maza was a hit.

MB

[naniwadekar]

Post by Manohar Bodas
Well this time Govindrao was the Malak. He thought he should not
compose any songs and let others do it to have a bit of diversity. How
ever what turned out was different. The continuity was lost. The
compositions were good but too Bhardust for Marathi Sangit Natak.
Devyani's songs did not become popular but Kach's did and so also
Rasika. Vidyaharan has more Urdu Chali, Dadra, Kanadi chali than
Manapman.

Manohar - On one hand, you complain that tunes in Vidyaharan
were too heavy; on the other, you tell us that there were more
lighter tunes in Vidyaharan (Urdu, Kannada, Dadra-s) than
Manapman. You are talking nonsense.

- dn

[Manohar Bodas]

Did I say all tunes??? If you read I have said some were really good.
May be you did not notice. Read all the Post then make your comments.
Did you read about the Rasika.

MB

Post by Manohar Bodas
Well this time Govindrao was the Malak. He thought he should not

[Manohar Bodas]

*Sangit Swayanwar*

Swayanwar Natak was the only play which could not only compete with
MAnApmAn but was certainly better in theme. We remember Manaapman only
for the Music. The theme was just very ordinary. Rich and Poor.

In Swayamwar people saw Balgandhrv as an actor as well as a singer.
The Gandharv Yug started with this play.

Bhaskerbua Bakhle composed tunes for the songs from rare Hindustani
Rag, He himself had Talim from great Alladiya. Bhaskerbua used all his
skills to compose the beautiful tunes. The classical Hindustani Music
reached every Marathi household.

Before teaching the tunes Bhaskerbua taught the original Bandish(s) to
Balgandharv for about six months. The Natyageet or Pad were taught
later.

Naath haa maaza,Sujan Kasa Man Chori, Mum Atma Gamala, Swakul Tarak
Sutaa, Anrutachi Gopala, Roop Bali, Narvar Krishna saman, Prem Nuch
Jaee, are all composed from original Bandis(s).

The Swayanwar gayaki is very high caliber,and difficult. Not only
Marathi but Parsi,Gujarati, Sindhis were among the audience. The
Gramophone Company made thousands on mere Swakultarak. Balgandhrv used
to start with vilambit laya and used Rag alaap and swar. He used to
increase the the laye like Kyal. Other song Nrup Kanya tav Jaaya was
also a big hit.

The songs were certainly a big challenge to the artists. They were
composed on the same lines of the original Bandish. The Natyasangit
certainly reached a very high point. However the Natak started
becoming a music concert. The balance between music and acting was
lost. However the public was exposed to high standard of classical
music thanks to Bhaskerbua and Vazebua.

In Marathi Natak the MAINLY used Rag(s) were Yaman,Bhimplas,Bihag and
sometimes Bageshree. Desi Khokar Barva were used for the first time.

Sangit Ekach Pyala came later. May be Nani will write about it

MB

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